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[ju015dd]

vortech is finally on, just have to fig out why the hell it wont start up. turns over but will not fire:scratch:

[towelie]

Awesome but not so much for not starting check your grounds and spark plug boots are all the way on for real.

[ju015dd]

yeah, it's either the tune, or fuel pump i'm guessing. i know i had the fuel sys press completely relieved, should you hear the pump doing something. this is a brand new damn pump but i cant hear it doing anything. hope its something easy but right now i just want to blow the whole fucking car up!:hissy:

[TylerGT]

double check the cut-off switch in the trunk on the drivers side behind the molding??

[Benjamin]

fuse or relay?

[Mr_Bond]

I going for it's scared of the 93'. Good luck with finding the issue. I would check the basics: FUEL, SPARK, and AIR.

[ju015dd]

double check the cut-off switch in the trunk on the drivers side behind the molding??
checked the cutt off switch and it wasnt up. i turn the key on and off a few times to see if the fuel pump is primeing the sys. shouldnt i be able to hear the pump. i dont hear anything!! brand new fucking pump, i also checked at the rails by opening up the schrader valve and got no fuel.......... damn i dont want to have to drop that fucking tank again:hissy:

[BreBar21]

Opti?

[ju015dd]

fuse or relay?
checked the fuse.

[71GS455]

ground/power to pump?

[TylerGT]

checked the cutt off switch and it wasnt up. i turn the key on and off a few times to see if the fuel pump is primeing the sys. shouldnt i be able to hear the pump. i dont hear anything!! brand new fucking pump, i also checked at the rails by opening up the schrader valve and got no fuel.......... damn i dont want to have to drop that fucking tank again:hissy:


Try completely unplugging the cuttoff switch. Crank the car then put it back in. When I disconnect mine to replace fuel filter, the little red button never pops up.


and yes. you should deffinatly hear the pump prime the system.

[ju015dd]

Try completely unplugging the cuttoff switch. Crank the car then put it back in. When I disconnect mine to replace fuel filter, the little red button never pops up.


and yes. you should deffinatly hear the pump prime the system.

tried that and still nothing. guess i'm just gonna drop the tank agian and see if i can see anything that is out of place or loose. hope i can get it figured out, driving me crazy

[ju015dd]

ok, dropped the tank, found out the power wire to the pump was loose. well fixxed that fired right up and ran pretty smooth for about 30 sec. turned it off. now try to start it agian and have to hold the gas to the floor to get it to run, and it is very very rough. and dumping fuel out the exhaust. any ideas?

[Dredz172]

sounds dangerous

[ju015dd]

i'm thinking the fuel press reg i bought is the reason. or at least i am hopeing. i have never seen a car just dump fuel out the pipes like this so i hope this is nothing very major. like i said ran like a charm for about 30 seconds, turned the car off then started again and only runs with the gas pedal close to the floor. and runs really really rough. hope i can clear this up.

[LiveDakota]

sounds dangerous

I agree. The last vehicle myself and buddy were in that did that often ended up a melted mush on the side of the highway.

[TylerGT]

What are you doing tune wise? Were you planning on driving somewhere for dyno time?

[ju015dd]

What are you doing tune wise? Were you planning on driving somewhere for dyno time?


yeah will be driving down to lamotta perf. if i get everything worked out.. was told either the base tune they sent me is off or i have a vacuum leak. well found the vacuum leak and got it fixed up just waiting on the wifey to get home so i can jump this piece of shit off to see if everything is working. shit is gonna drive me mad man!! hoping this is it, cause it idled fine at first start. so i hope this vacuum leak was the prob!

[Patrick]

Welcome to the world of boost, LOL!

When I put my Vortech kit on I had plenty of problems originally. With the exception of the tune being rich (which I expected), my oil feed always leaked (steady drip), my ignition coil went out 2 weeks later, vacuum leak, PCV not working right, you name it.

I've got my car 100% straightened out now. It's been a rough road, but its worth it.

[towelie]

Opti?

Right here Token right here

[ju015dd]

Welcome to the world of boost, LOL!

When I put my Vortech kit on I had plenty of problems originally. With the exception of the tune being rich (which I expected), my oil feed always leaked (steady drip), my ignition coil went out 2 weeks later, vacuum leak, PCV not working right, you name it.

I've got my car 100% straightened out now. It's been a rough road, but its worth it.
tell me about it:cry:
so close yet still so far away..
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[Patrick]

Are you running any form of cooling for it?

[ju015dd]

nope, and the bitch still dont run.. thought i was gonna get somewhere with the vacuum leak. still wont idle bellowing out white smoke and sounds like complete shit.
but, on a good note, she is no longer dumping fuel like a stuck pig

[Patrick]

Check your MAF. Also check all the pipes/couplers from the filter to the inlet. Are you running a Diablosport MAF.ia? If so, check its calibration.

[ju015dd]

well, i can relax a little for the time being! i disconnected the batt. , checked over everything i could, then hooked back up. jumped in the car plugged the xcal back in and put the tune on the car, turned the key and it fired right up!! running rich as hell but running to say the least! still running a little rough but she is holding idle around 850rpms and i can sleep better tonight. carquest is suppose to have my adapter by monday, so then i can hook up the fuel press. gauge and then get her on the road if nothing else comes up.. i cant wait to get this thing tuned.

[TylerGT]

how far a drive to Lamotta?

[BreBar21]

They are in Longwood outside of Orlando, IIRC.

[ju015dd]

how far a drive to Lamotta?
3 to 3.5 hours drive. and i will be killing lots of animals on the way with how rich this thing is running. smokey baby!

[ju015dd]

ok, car is missing really bad and cuts off. any ideas

[Patrick]

ok, car is missing really bad and cuts off. any ideas

Check your plug gaps. What does your stock gap call for and what is it at? Also, did you change your heat range on the plugs at all?

Also, check your fuel injectors for proper seating in the manifold and on the rails.

[ju015dd]

they are all gapped at 35 and i have checked all the boots to see if they are seated. i will check out the injectors but i think they are good. i really think it is the tune, a tune can be toooo rich couldnt it???

[Patrick]

they are all gapped at 35 and i have checked all the boots to see if they are seated. i will check out the injectors but i think they are good. i really think it is the tune, a tune can be toooo rich couldnt it???

Yeah, a tune could be too rich.

I know its a different platform, but my stock plug gap is 55 (most people run 60), and I gapped them down to 40, only to get spark blowout in high RPM/load/boost. I went down to a 30 gap. Not sure if it would help you or not though.

Do you have a wideband air/fuel gauge? If so, what are the ratios like?

[luv_my_z28]

If its running that rich you may have fouled out some plugs, i'd swap them out and see if it changes. BTW, again a different engine, but i run mine gapped at .035 and stepped down to tr6 plugs which i think are 1, maybe 2 heat ranges colder than stock.

If its like others i've seen, it shouldn't run quite as rich when your driving so you shouldn't have a problem witht that. I would bring an extra set of plugs with you to swap in before they start tuning though too.

[ju015dd]

Yeah, a tune could be too rich.

I know its a different platform, but my stock plug gap is 55 (most people run 60), and I gapped them down to 40, only to get spark blowout in high RPM/load/boost. I went down to a 30 gap. Not sure if it would help you or not though.

Do you have a wideband air/fuel gauge? If so, what are the ratios like?

no wideband, and they are brand new plugs gapped at 35 nkg's. i have a check engine light on too. i told the tuner i needed the egr, air injection, and rear o2's off so i will find out monday if he took care of that. if he did then i know i have something else throwing codes. i will just have to wait and see.

[Patrick]

no wideband, and they are brand new plugs gapped at 35 nkg's. i have a check engine light on too. i told the tuner i needed the egr, air injection, and rear o2's off so i will find out monday if he took care of that. if he did then i know i have something else throwing codes. i will just have to wait and see.

Assuming you're using a Diablo tuner or a SCT Xcalibrator you can look up the DTC (CEL Light) codes on it. Then, you can go to any mustang site and look up the DTC code - it will give you what it means, what could be causing it, and possible fixes to it.

Even if my car had a dynotune (which it doesn't), I'd be driving around with a wideband regardless if I boosted an originally NA car. Its just peace of mind, and in alot of cases can help diagnose problems and/or power issues.

Like I said earlier, putting a Vortech on a car is a PITA as far as little problems, but its worth it in the end. Just don't get pissed off and neglect the car for a week like I did. I would get so pissed I stopped working on the car and put it up for sale I was so frustrated. Believe me when I say your first WOT pull hitting boost drones out all the troubles, LOL!

[ju015dd]

Assuming you're using a Diablo tuner or a SCT Xcalibrator you can look up the DTC (CEL Light) codes on it. Then, you can go to any mustang site and look up the DTC code - it will give you what it means, what could be causing it, and possible fixes to it.

Even if my car had a dynotune (which it doesn't), I'd be driving around with a wideband regardless if I boosted an originally NA car. Its just peace of mind, and in alot of cases can help diagnose problems and/or power issues.

Like I said earlier, putting a Vortech on a car is a PITA as far as little problems, but its worth it in the end. Just don't get pissed off and neglect the car for a week like I did. I would get so pissed I stopped working on the car and put it up for sale I was so frustrated. Believe me when I say your first WOT pull hitting boost drones out all the troubles, LOL!

well, I'm using the xcal 1 so i cant look up the codes. I know in the end it will be well worth it, just seems like the end is just getting farther away!! guess i need to go and get a scanner to see what codes are being thrown.

[sstony]

man thats an ugly looking engine bay:heather20

i hope your turd can haul ass when it gets back:taunt:

[ju015dd]

man thats an ugly looking engine bay:heather20

i hope your turd can haul ass when it gets back:taunt:
maybe one day it will actually run:t:

[ju015dd]

hopeing to find out something tomm. if the tune was messed up or not. i had to mail in my xcal and they had sct check it out. hoping to take a test drive thursday afternoon!

[JD]

Coy,

My brother Scott and I just finished up a Procharger install on his '99 GT. We ran into some of the same problems you've had (fuel pump, tune, running rich, what have you). 2.0TooSlow is sooo right about it being worth it. We had John come over from Superchips to tune his at Lamotta's and he put down 387 HP and 385 TQ in 95 degree air. Assuming Jake is putting you together with John on the dyno, you're in very talented hands.

Keep the faith- it's all going to be worth it very shortly.:tup:

Jeff

[01COBRA]

I know exactly what you are going threw I had so many problems with my old procharger setup.To me the miss sounds like a problem related to fouling. Change the plugs then let it idle if it doesn't idle good then you are still probably dumping way to much fuel, also becareful because to rich could wash down the cylinders and cuase the rings to loose their seal. I can bring my scanner over sometime this week and hook it up on your car and pull the codes for you.

Let me know if you need my help man.

[ju015dd]

well, it better not be the plugs because they were brand spanking new and i checked everyone before i put them in. also, i really beleive it was something to do with the tune. tried to put a scanner on it with the tune on the car and it would say error and wouldnt link up to the car. without the tune it would link up and read no prob. :wacko:

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

well, it better not be the plugs because they were brand spanking new and i checked everyone before i put them in. also, i really beleive it was something to do with the tune. tried to put a scanner on it with the tune on the car and it would say error and wouldnt link up to the car. without the tune it would link up and read no prob. :wacko:
After all that running rich they could be gas fouled. I would change them again, and not put NGKs in use Autolite or Motorcraft.

[ju015dd]

After all that running rich they could be gas fouled. I would change them again, and not put NGKs in use Autolite or Motorcraft.
would running it for a few seconds only a few times foul them that fast"?

[ju015dd]

:scratch:
would running it for a few seconds only a few times foul them that fast"?

[redmach1]

It can. I would try a cheap set of autolites until you get the situation straight. It has been my experience that once a plug is gas fouled it is pretty much shot.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

would running it for a few seconds only a few times foul them that fast"?
I have seen cars gas foul the plugs in seconds. I had a 300z do it in under a minute. It took awhile to figure out the head temp sensor was bad and the mass air meter I had just put on was bad....I hate new parts that are no good.

[Gt]

The 88 will foul them just trying to crank it, if you are not carefull. 42# injectors like to dump a lot of fuel at startup.

[ju015dd]

thanks guys, i will check them today. :mrgreen:

[ju015dd]

ok well they do look it but most of the black stuff will wipe right off.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

ok well they do look it but most of the black stuff will wipe right off.
If they smell like gas they need to be replaced.

[ju015dd]

If they smell like gas they need to be replaced.

yeah they do...
on the other hand got the tuner and tune back and car started up and ran perfectly... tuner told me that there was nothing wrong with either but i know it wouldnt run for nothing before. i runs and idles right now, pig rich but running. took it for a test drive and feels like it is missing or something when you get going a little faster. hopeing that it is just the plugs but wont it just keep doing this to the plugs i put in?

[redmach1]

If it is pig rich, then yes it will keep fouling the plugs.

[ju015dd]

cheap plugs here i come! i'm just happy it is runnning now:clap:

[Benjamin]

cheap plugs here i come! i'm just happy it is runnning now:clap:

sweet.... i like all that black and pollished shit..... Elliot did an awesome job on that charger and intake..... i guess you are happy with the black i did too..... now to see this bitch in person......

[ju015dd]

sweet.... i like all that black and pollished shit..... Elliot did an awesome job on that charger and intake..... i guess you are happy with the black i did too..... now to see this bitch in person......

yeah, down in orlando for the weekend but early friday i got it running. have a oil leak to attend to, that and new plugs and i hope she will runn long enough to get down to longwood in the next few weeks. i thinnk something was way off with the first tune they sent me that is what fudged the plugs. what cheap plugs should i go with till i get tunned? hope there are some cheaper than what i just ruined. they were like 250 a plug, and that is a lot to a poor kid like me:mrgreen:

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

If I am not mistaken that car came with single plat. plugs. I would go with Autolite Plat. Not the cheapest but better than regular resistor plugs.

[Gt]

If I am not mistaken that car came with single plat. plugs. I would go with Autolite Plat. Not the cheapest but better than regular resistor plugs.
Negative! Do NOT run pos plat plugs in a supercharged car or even a N/A one. Plat = pos for performance.

[slow95gt]

Yeah bosch or any platinum pug is garbage!!!! On my old svo, I went through the set in like 5 mins!!!

[Benjamin]

Yeah bosch or any platinum pug is garbage!!!! On my old svo, I went through the set in like 5 mins!!!

this might explain the gouge burnt into the SVO's head and the 2 burnt pistons......that's cause a platinumn plug is designed to create a good lean burn condition that is excelent for a STOCK N/A emissions compliant stock tune. though on my expedition it ran like crap with the cheap autolights.... went back with Motorcraft replacement Platinumns and it ran ALOT better.... come to think about it that might be why on the performance tune mine pings like crazy on 93..... might have to try it again later whenever i feel like spending 1.5 hours installing plugs to see if they will cure that........ your 2.3 and Coy's supercharged setup WILL NOT like a lean burn condition as Tony stated earlier. also it dosen't hurt to go down a few heat ranges as stated before..... treat the supercharger like a nitrous setup and back it down at least 1 step colder if not 2 and then it depends on the tune (timing, fuel delivery, boost, etc.) on if it needs to be lower than that....

[ju015dd]

i know i was told 2 step colder and gapped at 35, what are some cheaper options i have to get me to the dyno incase this happens again. then i can put some better ones on the car for the tune..

[Benjamin]

according to Autolight's page you stock use AP764 if you used platniunm 764 is the plane jane resistor plug..... according to their heat range thingey 1 step colder is a 763 so 2 would be 762.... i dono what stores stock those.... also NGK's is the tr55 stock replacement and a tr6 is 1 step colder.... i wouls ASSuME that a tr65 would be 2 steps colder...... hope this helps Coy.... Tony please chime in on if i am correct as you know the modmotors better than i do.....

[KattWoman01]

Speaking from a parts standpoint, you should really be careful just using random plugs. I know you wanna get it running right, but you need to make sure you aren't going to screw something else up in the process, Just cause the numbers are lower it doesn't mean it is a colder plug.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I dont want to see anyting happen to that great car. Why not go ahead and get that car trailer and tow it down to the tuner and let him set it up for ya. I wouldnt risk driving it that far, especially since you are having so much trouble now. There is no shame in trailering your car to someone. You have done alot of work to it and it would be a shame to see it go to waste or leave you stranded 1/2 way there.

[Osceola16]

I dont want to see anyting happen to that great car. Why not go ahead and get that car trailer and tow it down to the tuner and let him set it up for ya. I wouldnt risk driving it that far, especially since you are having so much trouble now. There is no shame in trailering your car to someone. You have done alot of work to it and it would be a shame to see it go to waste or leave you stranded 1/2 way there.
+1

[ju015dd]

I dont want to see anyting happen to that great car. Why not go ahead and get that car trailer and tow it down to the tuner and let him set it up for ya. I wouldnt risk driving it that far, especially since you are having so much trouble now. There is no shame in trailering your car to someone. You have done alot of work to it and it would be a shame to see it go to waste or leave you stranded 1/2 way there.


believe me i would love to do this, but i dont have the truck to pull my car down there. little ranger just wont cut it!!

[Benjamin]

Just cause the numbers are lower it doesn't mean it is a colder plug.

If it is an Autolite plug then yes a lower number like from a 764 to a 763 is a colder plug but like posted before an NGK TR55 to a TR6 is a step colder.... their system is different..... that's why 5.0 guys run Autolight 25's stock and 24's or 23's on a nitrous setup.... yes the number is lower and yes it is a colder plug...... i speak from the been there done that experience.....

[sstony]

let me tune it coy:heather20

[ju015dd]

let me tune it coy:heather20
you might have to pay me to do that:taunt:

[slmdLS1]

you might have to pay me to do that:taunt:

i'd chip in to see that.


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[ju015dd]

:joystick:

[fatkid]

I know who you should let tune it...........

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

believe me i would love to do this, but i dont have the truck to pull my car down there. little ranger just wont cut it!!
I thought I saw in another post that your mom had a Super Duty and someone was willing to lend you a trailer? Where does it have to go for the tune? How long will the tune take do you think? Can you still get the trailer? I wouldn't trust my car trailer that far without major refurbishment....I am trying to get some new axles for it now.

[slow95gt]

Na ben the platinum plugs came with the car, I changed em to autolite 764's I believe, there still in the head I think.

[J8127]

I know who you should let tune it...........

:funny:

[ju015dd]

I thought I saw in another post that your mom had a Super Duty and someone was willing to lend you a trailer? Where does it have to go for the tune? How long will the tune take do you think? Can you still get the trailer? I wouldn't trust my car trailer that far without major refurbishment....I am trying to get some new axles for it now.

yeah, she does have a truck that will get it done but she is 300 miles away and it's just a pain and a lot of gas money to get everything flowing. taking it to lamotta in orlando and they want it for all day when i get it to them. thinking about getting a trailer from uhaul or something cause i wouldnt want something to happen to someone elses stuff. i'm gonn have to just wait and take my time, hard for me to do, but i need to get a little driving time in after the plugs get changed to make sure it is ready for the tune anyways. something close to home in case something major happens. good thing is it's running like a champ now, just got to replace the plugs and fix small oil leak.

short vid of car running finally!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/ju015dd/th_100_0892.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v467/ju015dd/?action=view&current=100_0892.flv)

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

yeah, she does have a truck that will get it done but she is 300 miles away and it's just a pain and a lot of gas money to get everything flowing. taking it to lamotta in orlando and they want it for all day when i get it to them. thinking about getting a trailer from uhaul or something cause i wouldnt want something to happen to someone elses stuff. i'm gonn have to just wait and take my time, hard for me to do, but i need to get a little driving time in after the plugs get changed to make sure it is ready for the tune anyways. something close to home in case something major happens. good thing is it's running like a champ now, just got to replace the plugs and fix small oil leak.

short vid of car running finally!!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/ju015dd/th_100_0892.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v467/ju015dd/?action=view&current=100_0892.flv)

U-haul wont let you rent a car dolly to pull behind a Ranger, even though the Ranger could pull it that way, if its a V-6.

[ju015dd]

yeah i know they wont...

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

yeah i know they wont...
Will they be working on a Saturday?

[ju015dd]

no, they are only open mon.-fri. thats another thing that's kicking my ass. i wish they were open on sat too

[BreBar21]

Shit sounds awesome, Coy. It's a shame it's so dirty.

[ju015dd]

:mrgreen:
Shit sounds awesome, Coy. It's a shame it's so dirty.


thanks bro, and i know it's dirty:bowdown:

[brandboZ28]

Looks and sounds awesome! And, if you can find a truck, you still have access to a trailer. ;)

[ju015dd]

Looks and sounds awesome! And, if you can find a truck, you still have access to a trailer. ;)
cool man, thanks!! :clap: