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fatkid
11-12-2006, 02:31 PM
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/california-students-ban-pledge-of/20061110073709990026?ncid=NWS00010000000001


California Students Ban Pledge of Allegiance
Leaders Do Not Want to Recite Loyalty to God or Government

LOS ANGELES (Nov. 11) - Student leaders at a California college have touched off a furor by banning the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government.

The move by Orange Coast College student trustees, the latest clash over patriotism and religion in American schools, has infuriated some of their classmates -- prompting one young woman to loudly recite the pledge in front of the board on Wednesday night in defiance of the rule.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

"The fact that they have enough power to ban one of the most valued traditions in America is just horrible," Zoldos said, adding she would attend every board meeting to salute the flag.

The move was led by three recently elected student trustees, who ran for office wearing revolutionary-style berets and said they do not believe in publicly swearing an oath to the American flag and government at their school. One student trustee voted against the measure, which does not apply to other student groups or campus meetings.

The ban follows a 2002 ruling by a federal appeals court in San Francisco that said forcing school children to recite the pledge was unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God." The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the ruling on procedural grounds but left the door open for another challenge.

"That ('under God') part is sort of offensive to me," student trustee Jason Ball, who proposed the ban, told Reuters. "I am an atheist and a socialist, and if you know your history, you know that 'under God' was inserted during the McCarthy era and was directly designed to destroy my ideology."

Ball said the ban largely came about because the trustees didn't want to publicly vow loyalty to the American government before their meetings. "Loyalty ought to be something the government earns through performance, not through reciting a pledge," he said.

Martha Parham, a spokeswoman for the Coast Community College District, said her office had no standing on the student board and took no position on the flag salute ban.

"If their personal belief is that they don't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, the district certainly isn't going to dictate what they do," she said.

More than 28,000 students attend the community college, located in conservative Orange County, California, south of Los Angeles.

Sophomore Chris Belanger, one of several students who attended the meeting to support keeping the pledge, waved an American flag and accused the board of "radical views and anti-Americanism."


11/10/06 07:34 EST


:nono:

Frankie
11-12-2006, 02:34 PM
what kenny said

Azn Kenny
11-12-2006, 02:44 PM
Can't wait til it breaks off and sinks into the ocean.

v8minus2
11-12-2006, 03:05 PM
maybe they should go ahead and just become their own little country. their flag can be one stick figure buttfucking another.

slowLX
11-12-2006, 03:22 PM
The fence they're building on the Mexican border should be extended around California.

NotoriousGreaseMonkey
11-12-2006, 06:42 PM
Have a trial for treason then hang the ones found guilty.

J8127
11-12-2006, 09:13 PM
What a fucking waste of something to bitch about. I'm sure you all know I'm not religeous, and it is kind of gay that "under god" got inserted like 50 years ago to fight teh commies, but you know what? I say it and move on with my day.

Fucking stupid people and their need to complain about anything and everything.

shock6791
11-13-2006, 08:35 AM
They should all be arrested for treason. If you don't like this country, move the fuck out. No one is stopping you. Hell, I will even help you pack up.

Turbonium
11-13-2006, 08:42 AM
Exactly, that dumb bitch who says she's a socialist and an atheist? Why are you trying to change my country? America is not a socialist country and we will not limit religious freedoms because you don't believe in God. Get the fuck out if you want a Godless socialist country, here's a list of countries you might like:

France
Cuba
N Korea
Antarctica

Snow
11-13-2006, 09:06 AM
Let's all just agree to drop the injected phrase "under God" and change it from "to the flag of the United States of America" back to "to my flag". Problem solved.

Btw, Antarctica is a continent, not a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

It was a minister that helped wedge that unconstitutional phrase into the pledge in 1954.

SloNLo_350
11-13-2006, 02:55 PM
Btw, Antarctica is a continent, not a country.
Even better, they ALREADY don't have any laws or control so it makes the insane leftists' jobs that much easier.

fatkid
11-13-2006, 03:00 PM
Let's all just agree to drop the injected phrase "under God" and change it from "to the flag of the United States of America" back to "to my flag". Problem solved.

Btw, Antarctica is a continent, not a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

It was a minister that helped wedge that unconstitutional phrase into the pledge in 1954.
So when will you be leaving for Antarctica then?

DustnF
11-13-2006, 03:06 PM
Let's all just agree to drop the injected phrase "under God" and change it from "to the flag of the United States of America" back to "to my flag". Problem solved.

Btw, Antarctica is a continent, not a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

It was a minister that helped wedge that unconstitutional phrase into the pledge in 1954.

Move to california.











and DIAF

willjs7
11-13-2006, 03:08 PM
Move to california.











and DIAF

:clap: If only he would.

Snow
11-13-2006, 06:49 PM
Nah, I think I'll just become a politician, send you all off to some bs war on an idea, then take your women as concubines ;)

Name all the presidents that are remembered for the good they did.

Now, scratch off all the religious zealots.

Now name the list you have left.

Sandman
11-16-2006, 08:59 PM
its pretty easy. if you dont like it, dont do it. dont ruin it for everyone else in the whole freakin country.

Osceola16
11-17-2006, 01:34 AM
its pretty easy. if you dont like it, dont do it. dont ruin it for everyone else in the whole freakin country.

There being FORCED to say it, arent they. They have to be, that would be a valid reason to protest it.

O wait...its of own free will to say the damn pledge!!! Theres a special place at the right foot of the devil for these idiots.

These places need to go under the "Store Policy"
Think about it, go into any store....Wal-mart for example. And SCREAM wal-mart SUCKS, I hate wal-mart, or something related. Wal-mart would show you the door.

Don't like America and its ways??? I hear Africa is nice in December.

Snow
11-17-2006, 07:27 AM
I don't like how the "religious right" has influenced the government into stripping half our rights away (1st and 4th amendment rights)and I don't like how the pinko commi pablum puking liberals keep trying to strip the other half of our rights away (mostly 2nd amendment rights).

Let us restore our country to it's former greatness. What you do in your own home is none of the government's business.

burnoutking999
11-17-2006, 10:19 AM
Let's all just agree to drop the injected phrase "under God" and change it from "to the flag of the United States of America" back to "to my flag". Problem solved.

Btw, Antarctica is a continent, not a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

It was a minister that helped wedge that unconstitutional phrase into the pledge in 1954.

I would go for the first even bieng a christian but the second thing astounds me... this IS america... thus OUR flag is the flag. if they want to plaster their cars and house walls with whatever flag they want then ok... but the one on the flag pole needs to be the AMERICAN flag. GTFO if they dont like it as its for them too!

Snow
11-17-2006, 10:34 AM
I would go for the first even bieng a christian but the second thing astounds me... this IS america... thus OUR flag is the flag. if they want to plaster their cars and house walls with whatever flag they want then ok... but the one on the flag pole needs to be the AMERICAN flag. GTFO if they dont like it as its for them too!

The original pledge is this:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

The flag of the United States of America is my flag and the Republic is the United State of America. It was only changed in 1923. Did you know that the salute that you were supposed to give looks like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg/250px-1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg



Before World War II, the Pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart during the phrase "I pledge allegiance". The arm was then extended toward the Flag at the phrase "to the Flag", and it remained outstretched during the rest of the pledge, with the palm facing upward, as if to lift the flag.

burnoutking999
11-17-2006, 11:40 AM
The original pledge is this:


The flag of the United States of America is my flag and the Republic is the United State of America. It was only changed in 1923. Did you know that the salute that you were supposed to give looks like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg/250px-1892_Pledge_of_Allegiance2.jpg

then hitler came... it changed for accuracy IMO... its "i pledge allegiance to THE flag..." ... just how it should be.

Osceola16
11-18-2006, 07:39 AM
Ya know I got to thinking, I bet the shitheads pulling this crap are the ones that bitch if they dont get July 04(Americas Birthday) and December 25(Jesus Birthday aka CHRISTmas). They would raise fucking hell if there Boss or principal said "you are working a full day those days, regualr pay...not holiday pay."

Snow
11-18-2006, 04:02 PM
Ya know I got to thinking, I bet the shitheads pulling this crap are the ones that bitch if they dont get July 04(Americas Birthday) and December 25(Jesus Birthday aka CHRISTmas). They would raise fucking hell if there Boss or principal said "you are working a full day those days, regualr pay...not holiday pay."

You get July 4th off? I dont...

Jesus was born closer to summertime - December 25th was chosen by the Christian church to basically hijack a pagan festival. The "christmas tree" actually has nothing to do with Christianity either, it's yet another hijacked pagan symbol.

Osceola16
11-18-2006, 04:10 PM
You get July 4th off? I dont...

Jesus was born closer to summertime - December 25th was chosen by the Christian church to basically hijack a pagan festival. The "christmas tree" actually has nothing to do with Christianity either, it's yet another hijacked pagan symbol.

Most people dont follow the pagan crap. 90% of people associate that day with his birth-date

And no, we work 365 days a year, 24 hours a day.

v8minus2
11-18-2006, 06:57 PM
yep, i don't get any holiday off unless i am lucky. but, i like working holidays. double overtime.