Do any of you REALLY have a problem with the GTO?

[BlackPearl]

Now, I know at times Tony and X will rag on the fact that the GTO is "slow" :bs: but for the sake of arguing and the fact that I don't know them, I just figured they were just being playful, sarcastic, etc...:tu:

The reason I ask is because when I went down to Miami for break I ran into some of my old F-body buddies who would not stop ragging on my car. Even after I raced some of them and beat them pretty bad the comments kept coming. I just ignored them because all they had were LT1's and third gens that were breaking down every other day and my car is still new. (<---this is not a LT1/3rdGen bashing; just pointing out that their cars kept breaking down and happened to be LT1's and 3rdGens)

Now the kicker...Vette owners! I can't stand ignorant vette owners! One of my friend's father has a vette (a 99 C5) and when I went to visit him he came out. The first thing out of his mouth..."well it's nice....but it ain't a vette. You'll need to beef it up if you want to run like one." HUH?:scratch: I tried to educate him on the engine and the car, but nothing. He just kept making smart ass comments that didn't make sense.

I know the f-body guys get this alot from vette owners, but do any of you really have a problem with the GTO? If so why?

[96s10]

its because you own a grand prix

[Riceman]

GTO's fucking suck :mad:

[sstony]

GTO?? i thought it was a cavalier:flip2:



listen man--we're all just messing with you--prolly wouldn't get so much slack if it was an LS1--with us LSx guys. it took me a while of hands on experience with the goat to give credit where its due. i like the cars a lot now, very very comfortable and not slow--and if i didn't have the SS, i'd prolly be looking at a goat...LS1 of course. i've just come to the conclusions of what americans, or MARY's--as the aussies like to refer to us, complain about, the australians could prolly give 2 shits about.

just come out and hang out a little and you prolly won't get so much shit....unless you are worse in person than on the intraweb.

[BlackPearl]

GTO?? i thought it was a cavalier:flip2:



listen man--we're all just messing with you--prolly wouldn't get so much slack if it was an LS1--with us LSx guys. it took me a while of hands on experience with the goat to give credit where its due. i like the cars a lot now, very very comfortable and not slow--and if i didn't have the SS, i'd prolly be looking at a goat...LS1 of course. i've just come to the conclusions of what americans, or MARY's--as the aussies like to refer to us, complain about, the australians could prolly give 2 shits about.

just come out and hang out a little and you prolly won't get so much shit....unless you are worse in person than on the intraweb.

Hehe, no I'm actually cool to hang out with. It just sucks for me on Tuesdays because of my schedule. But really, I was just asking you all the question because of the mix of people on here. I don't think you guys rag on the goats and actually mean it.

And why the hate for the LS2?

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Hehe, no I'm actually cool to hang out with. It just sucks for me on Tuesdays because of my schedule. But really, I was just asking you all the question because of the mix of people on here. I don't think you guys rag on the goats and actually mean it.

And why the hate for the LS2?

It has not proven itself yet.

[Greg Kulbick]

And its in a Grand Prix.

[brm03d]

It's all in fun. I know your GTO is way faster that my mustang, oh wait... most cars are.

[Gt]

Riceman's GTO was the first GTO I ever sat in, I was impressed by its power and interior seemed really nice/comfortable. If I was looking for a new car, the GTO would probably be one I looked at closely.

[ju015dd]

Riceman's GTO was the first GTO I ever sat in, I was impressed by its power and interior seemed really nice/comfortable. If I was looking for a new car, the GTO would probably be one I looked at closely.

same here, when they first came out i wasnt too fond of them. but when i got the chance to detail chase's, they have really grown on me. i was very impressed with the interior

[sstony]

LS1 was touched by the hand of God. LS2 was not. i love to put the beatdown on LS2's :wave:

[Dredz172]

i like to think of my car as a "vette for 4" (t56, ls1) but i can actually fit me and my buddies in it
yeah its a little bigger and slower than a vette, but ive got a back seat

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I would like the GTO's ALOT more if they did like all the other car Manufactures are doing and made it loook like a maybe early 70 late 60 GTO. Right now its a Grand Am/Prix with a V8

[Nactall]

I like them, why dose it matter what other people say or think as long as you like the car thats all that matters

[DustnF]

Take all the GTO hate with a grain of salt. Like you have read in the above posts, once people actually take a closer look at the cars most are impressed. The build quality is far better then most GM products in the states and the LSx + T56 combination is great in any platform. If you like the car, isn't that all the really matters?

BTW, LS1>*

[slowLX]

I hate on GTO's because in general I hate the way they look. When designing that car they really tried hard to make it as bland as possible. That is the reason the crazy GTO's from Aussie-land look better and you all want to swap parts with those cars.

People are NOT joking when they say and think your cars look like Cavalier's and Grand Prix's.

[Riceman]

LS2 > LS1.

Check my torque curve if you want proof :cool:

[willjs7]

Ever try to get in or out of the backseat? They should not have backseats, that is my only fuss with the car other than it is a Grand Prix.

[Riceman]

There are back seats... I don't recommend using them. The seat motors were built with death in mind. If the car was on fire, the motors move so slow you'd die :tu:

[DustnF]

I hear they are very comfortable once you are back there...

But, the back seat is for bitches anyways...right Will?

[J8127]

I love GTO's

[Frankie]

Jealousy:sstony:

[sstony]

LS2 > LS1.

Check my torque curve if you want proof :cool:


CHECK my timeslip if you want better proof

[Riceman]

I can't drive and my car weighs more.

Put my engine in your car, you drive.... that is, if you can handle the extra power.


The LS1 God's motor, the LS2 is more like Jesus' motor. You know, it was there to save the people and provide salvation, but there it is, being persecuted and probably eventually killed by the very people it was intended to save. 'Tis sad indeed :cry:

[DustnF]

The LS1 God's motor, the LS2 is more like Jesus' motor. You know, it was there to save the people and provide salvation, but there it is, being persecuted and probably eventually killed by the very people it was intended to save. 'Tis sad indeed :cry:

Very nice analogy. Deep.











That being said...LS1>* :taunt:

[sstony]

LMFAO!! good one

[Snow]

WWJD - what would Jesus drive? I personally think he'd drive a Hummer because the environment doesn't matter.
WWJD - Where Would Jesus Drive? Obviously to Southern Baptist churchs as they are the only ones that are truly saved - of course, He'd have to cut His hair or else the preacher wouldn't let him in the door.

[fatkid]

Ever try to get in or out of the backseat? They should not have backseats, that is my only fuss with the car other than it is a Grand Prix.
Ever tried to get in and out of the trunk? Que Travis......

[BlackPearl]

Ever try to get in or out of the backseat? They should not have backseats, that is my only fuss with the car other than it is a Grand Prix.

Yea, the backseat is definetly an issue when trying to get back there. However, it is one if not THE best back seat I have ever been in. The headroom, legroom, and comfort is abosultely ridiculous for the type of car the GTO is.

I hear people talk about the looks of the GTO and how it resembles a grand prix, grand am, etc. But honestly, every freaking pontiac looks like one another. You can make the same argument about any of 'em which I'm sure is one of the reason why the whole brand is changing its image and designs. The funny part is that I get tons of looks, thumbs up, and questions from people on the road. I don't ever hear of many grand prix, grand am, cavalier drivers receiving many stares or questions....:scratch:


Ever tried to get in and out of the trunk? Que Travis......
Eh...I bought it for performance, fun, and the occasional grocery stop. There's plenty of room for me. If I wanted a trunk, I would've bought a grand prix ;)

[Greg Kulbick]

I don't ever hear of many grand prix, grand am, cavalier drivers receiving many stares or questions....:scratch:


That's because they're so tired of being bothered, they stop the person before they have a chance and tell them its not a GTO.

[slowLX]

I'll say this much on behalf of the GTO's: They have the most comfortable trunk I've ever ridden in.

[BlackPearl]

That's because they're so tired of being bothered, they stop the person before they have a chance and tell them its not a GTO.

I gotta give it to ya man :clap:

[RedTide]

I'll say this much on behalf of the GTO's: They have the most comfortable trunk I've ever ridden in.

get shoved in many trunks?:scratch:

[SloNLo_350]

LS1 was touched by the hand of God. LS2 was not. i love to put the beatdown on LS2's :wave:
It's ok Tony... I know you just have bore envy.

3.90" FTL! haha

And GTO's are slow. That isn't a joke or sarcasm, they really are. hell the FIRST 6 speed just barely broke into the 10's not too long ago. That just made me all sorts of pissed. With all the 600whp T56 GTSlows out there, ONLY ONE has gone a 10?!? And it took a blower and nitrous to do that!! (569whp)

I'll never forget the muffled sounds of , "DO A BURNOUT" coming from my trunk. Fuck 4, you can get 6 in a GTO if you have the right skillzzz.

[sstony]

it's 3.89 bore size. and i don't envy a slower car with a bigger motor. the only one i've lost to, vettes included was chads car when he ran bigger cam, baller heads and nitrous

[SloNLo_350]

it's 3.89 bore size. and i don't envy a slower car with a bigger motor. the only one i've lost to, vettes included was chads car when he ran bigger cam, baller heads and nitrous
what about me :mrgreen:

you know you wish you could get some L92's for the slomaro. :lol:

[sstony]

what about me :mrgreen:

you know you wish you could get some L92's for the slomaro. :lol:

Supposedly they are designing the L92 heads for the smaller bore size. if not i'm headed for some TSP PRC 5.3 stage 2.5 or jumping in the big boi game and going TSP terminators and monster cam

[HLY_SHFT]

I like them. I saw a black one on the way back from Tally this morning. No idea what year, but his hood had a scoop (dual?).

[4348rd]

i like em and wouldn't mind owning one

[94_302]

I always liked the GTO, although I think they should have just called it the Monaro. I also love the FPV Falcons, I wish ford would bring those over.

[Dredz172]

Eh...I bought it for performance, fun, and the occasional grocery stop. There's plenty of room for me. If I wanted a trunk, I would've bought a grand prix ;)

The trunk is my major issue.... infact im in search of a chevy SSR, i wouldnt mind saving money on my insurance as well

maybe one of the reasons there arnt many gto's in the 10's is tire width/ rear suspension issues..... im sure if people had a solid axle and massive tires it would be alot easier

[sstony]

. infact im in search of a chevy SSR,

:yuk: that ranks up there with one of the stoopidest things i've ever heard

[Dredz172]

:yuk: that ranks up there with one of the stoopidest things i've ever heard

those things are bad ass... ls2 power and a truck bed

[BlackPearl]

those things are bad ass... ls2 power and a truck bed

JIM! PLZ DON'T! :cry:

[68stang289]

I think regardless of what you drive you're going to get shit from someone. If car guys are only one thing, they're extremely loyal to their specific grouping of cars. In the end though we all care about one thing, knowing our American muscle cars are faster and better looking than anything else on the road:). Corvette guys for the most part are a pretty stuck up crowd from what I've seen. I know there are a few guys on here who own them though that are super nice, so thankfully that doesn't apply to all the vette owners. I personally love the GTO's, and it was a toss up for me between getting a goat or getting my GT. I've always been a fan of the stang though and my first car was a 68 coupe so I guess I was a little biased by that though, haha.

[Jericho574]

LS1 was touched by the hand of God. LS2 was not. i love to put the beatdown on LS2's :wave:


But then again your LS1 is slightly modified :-|

[Dredz172]

JIM! PLZ DON'T! :cry:

KBB gives the differance between my car and an ssr about 6 grand, so it aint going to happen, but it would if it could, those things are some of my favorite cars

[Kinson Cook, Jr]

I think regardless of what you drive you're going to get shit from someone....



You're right, I get shit all the time for my old piece of hunk.:taunt:

[pendrgn]

I would like the GTO's ALOT more if they did like all the other car Manufactures are doing and made it loook like a maybe early 70 late 60 GTO. Right now its a Grand Am/Prix with a V8

not only that, which I agree with, it just has no unique features... plus it is too heavy, and made on a frame of another car from another country, over all, a sad representation of a classic car... personally I wish they never made them. but that is me.

[BlackPearl]

not only that, which I agree with, it just has no unique features... plus it is too heavy, and made on a frame of another car from another country, over all, a sad representation of a classic car... personally I wish they never made them. but that is me.

I agree too. The name was its downfall. They should've never tried to merge the two. But overall it's a great car and built waaay better than many gm cars here in the states.

[SloNLo_350]

But overall it's a great car and built waaay better than ALL gm cars here in the states.
Fixed :taunt:

not only that, which I agree with, it just has no unique features... plus it is too heavy, and made on a frame of another car from another country, over all, a sad representation of a classic car... personally I wish they never made them. but that is me.
I'm about tired of all this retro bullshit. The new Camaro is butt ugly, and the Mustang is only slightly better. The Challenger looks to be at least decent, but still not a favorite of mine. The GTO IS an 8 year old car, and was designed in 1997, so that is why it's a bit dated. Another problem is they couldn't import too many of em either. It's not "based off the frame of another car from another country," it IS a car from another country. It's no different than the Infinitis, Lexuses, and Acuras sold here. Plus it's way more car than $30,000 can buy from any other manufacturer. I just wish they had options for the climate control and other stuff like the Holden's had. But the fact that we got the LS2 standard (and STILL for $15,000USD less than the Aussies could get a base model LS1) makes up for the lack of amenities.

[Riceman]

Our cars in Aussie land are expensive as shit. I checked out the Holden site and was shocked.

I really wouldn't mind a sunroon though :'(

[MustangMan]

I'm about tired of all this retro bullshit
Me too, the +05 mustangs are ugly as hell. I think they made them way too big just as they did the new Camaro. I like the Challenger alot too but it seems pretty huge also.

[Dredz172]

they pay about 65 grand USD for our cars in england

[SloNLo_350]

It's $45,000 USD for a BASE LS1 Monaro, and expect to pay $60,000 if you want an HSV with an LS2 down there. It's ridiculous, but they pay it because its WORTH it. While it lives up to the GTO namesake as originally conceived, it doesn't fit the mass public's veiw of a "GTO." Even though the original GTO was just a very unassuming "Plain Jane" 2 door with a big motor. But in the UK they also got the Monaro VXR 500. While I'm not a fan of Eaton blowers, anything that comes with 500hp stock, even if its an eaton, is ok in my book! AND it was the same price as the previous years' regular VXR! A pulley, some headers, and maybe a blower cam and that thing would be insane!!

[pendrgn]

It's $45,000 USD for a BASE LS1 Monaro, and expect to pay $60,000 if you want an HSV with an LS2 down there. It's ridiculous, but they pay it because its WORTH it. While it lives up to the GTO namesake as originally conceived, it doesn't fit the mass public's veiw of a "GTO." Even though the original GTO was just a very unassuming "Plain Jane" 2 door with a big motor. But in the UK they also got the Monaro VXR 500. While I'm not a fan of Eaton blowers, anything that comes with 500hp stock, even if its an eaton, is ok in my book! AND it was the same price as the previous years' regular VXR! A pulley, some headers, and maybe a blower cam and that thing would be insane!!


you seem touchy about your car... I dont care for camaros much either, but it is a good bang for the buck for power, just not a gto fan... too much, too little, but it is my opinion.

[SloNLo_350]

I'm not touchy at all. just a little drunk and opinionated. I will wholeheartedly agree that it looks like a Grand Prix, and spout off Cavalier and Grand Am jokes with the best of 'em. I even still wish I could go back and get the '02 NBM SS I was looking at before I got the GTO, but it wasn't my decision to make, since (as most of you know) my parent's bought me this car. $28k car with warranty > $19,000 with no warranty... apparently (and I at least got 2 transmissions worth out of that warranty). I wasn't even too keen on the idea of a GTO when my dad first proposed it to me. Little did I know he had already talked to the dealer and they had the car on the truck headed toward my home town. I'll call my car slow, and unimpressive all day long (because it is... no joke, that shit is heavy and slow as shit!!) but, compared to the other new car offerings along side it, you can't beat a GTO. Nothing else offered in '05 and '06 had near 400hp for under $30,000. Hell, nothing under $40,000!!! But if I had the option, I probably would have taken that SS or an '04 Cobra over the GTSlow. DEFINITELY a '99 or '00 Nassau Blue FRC. I STILL want to trade the GTO for one of those... straight up with the CCW's included.

About the new Camaro... unless it has an LS3, then it is completely worthless to me. It's an ugly ass 4000lb hunk of retro bullshit with only an LS2 to push it around. While 400hp is a good bit, once you get into SRT8 weight territory, you're gonna need more power to keep up. Now the G8 intrigues me... no retro nonsense and it has better heads than my car... all it needs is a cam to wake it up a bit. But it too is heavy. If they have a GXP version of that though, that may be the first car I purchase on my own.

[Injected1]

I personally love the GTOs...they are great cars, make good power, and were one of the best offerings out there when they were new. You have 6 Car options for a Domestic RWD V8 in 05/06 (Vette, GTO, Stang, 300C, Magnum, Charger), you could get 3 of those with a manual, and 2 with a 6-speed. You look at value in those and the GTO is in my opinion the best choice, a nice smooth ride, some what sporty feel, and the best power to weight. I like it. It is the only car that you can get, that I can honestly say I would give up the z28 for.

[Tally TransAm]

for some reason i think this thread is really homoghey

[MustangMan]

(Vette, GTO, Stang, 300C, Magnum, Charger), you could get 3 of those with a manual, and 2 with a 6-speed.
But how many of those can you get in a 2 door? Big factor right there, and the Vette is kinda in its own league price wise.

[Injected1]

I actually like a 4 door over a 2 door..

[shakin]

if i wanted a 4 door car w/ 400 hp, i would personally buy the v-spec

[SloNLo_350]

if i wanted a 4 door car w/ 400 hp, i would personally buy the v-spec
Wha? A Sentra? That makes absolutely no sense.

[shakin]

cadillac v spec

[SloNLo_350]

cadillac v spec
you mean Cadillac CTS-V

Or STS-V if you want 4 doors and 469 (ish) hp.

Or XLR-V if you want 2 doors and a convertible hard top, and 469 (ish) hp.

[sstony]

i like the sentra idea better:rice:

[shakin]

we are a picky bunch on this forum aren't we

[2002vic]

crown vic = mustang 2+2. if desire > 4.6. insert (desired displacement) here.

[SloNLo_350]

we are a picky bunch on this forum aren't we
That'd be akin to calling your car a Type 1. So no, its not picky. If I said, "I'd like one of those Type 1's" no one would know what the hell I was talking about either.

[shakin]

don't get mad just because you drive a grand am

[fatkid]

i like the sentra idea better:rice:
:lol:

[GoatFiddyone]

I'm loving the grand am comments! But it seems people are forgetting the fact that our car is over a foot longer and has about a 6 inch longer wheelbase.
The GTO is one of those cars I ragged on too when they first came out, then I drove one. I was sold and I looked at the car in a completely different light.

[96s10]

I'm loving the grand am comments! But it seems people are forgetting the fact that our car is over a foot longer and has about a 6 inch longer wheelbase.
The GTO is one of those cars I ragged on too when they first came out, then I drove one. I was sold and I looked at the car in a completely different light.

i don't walk around with a tape measure with me most of the time. generally i'm just, "is that a...yep. another grand am. wait, is that a goat? who cares, it still looks like a grand am."

[DustnF]

I <3 my grand am

[500RWHP]

I <3 my grand am


All GTO's are Gay :rice: :boobies:

[redgto4u]

I don't get where people see the cavalier in it..?? If anything the mazda 6 resembles a gto more. As well as the grand am's. The only thing I would opt to get in a gto would be a HUD and sunroof...adding even more weight and cost. Can't have your cake and eat too I guess...

[v8minus2]

if you saw dustinf's car at a meet one night and then the black cavilier drove through you would see it differently. same wheels and everything.

[DustnF]

That son of a bitch....

[Riceman]

Speaking of, some Infinity has my wheels... and some shitty upturned exhaust. Saw it parked at the Golds on Pensacola and Ocala.

[pendrgn]

I'm loving the grand am comments! But it seems people are forgetting the fact that our car is over a foot longer and has about a 6 inch longer wheelbase.
The GTO is one of those cars I ragged on too when they first came out, then I drove one. I was sold and I looked at the car in a completely different light.
wow, those are some impressive differences, I dont know how I never noticed that before in my casual glances. lol

[GoatFiddyone]

wow, those are some impressive differences, I dont know how I never noticed that before in my casual glances. lol


i don't walk around with a tape measure with me most of the time. generally i'm just, "is that a...yep. another grand am. wait, is that a goat? who cares, it still looks like a grand am."

If you two look at a full size Chevy PU, then a Colorado and can't tell the difference, then it's understandable!