View Full Version : Snow's manifesto - aka 7 steps to fix the USofA
I had promised to write a manifesto to express my ideals just to clear them up. It seems I have some views that half the people adamantly disagree with and I have views on other subjects that the other half of people want to string me up for. I invite anyone that disagrees with any of my views to have a civil discourse with me either here or, preferably, in person. I don't hope to 'convert' anyone to my ideals, but I do want to at least have people on the other side to be able to see why I believe my views are correct and even have a chance to change my views through logical debate.
Without further ado, here are my seven steps to save our country:
Step 1: Make it illegal for any citizen to live in the District of Columbia for more than 6 years.
Step 2: Affirm the right outlined (read: not granted, but confirmed) in the 2nd amendment as an individual right that cannot be infringed upon for any reason.
Step 3: Require all citizens over the age of 18 to own at least one firearm, provided they are not felons. Give a tax credit for the purchase price of first firearm.
Step 4: Redefine our foreign policy to allow only one country to be US occupied at a time and for a maximum amount of time only (say 4 years for instance). This includes dismantling the neocon plan that began in the 50's and 60's to invade certain nations in order to gain a strategic oil advantage and imprisoning those that helped keep this plan on track by lying to Congress.
Step 5: Make it a felony to hire illegals, whether you know they are illegal or not. The root of the problem isn't the illegals, it is those that knowingly hire them to save money...and ignorance is no excuse - due diligence is the only solution.
Step 6: Legalize and regulate all "illegal" drugs. Yes, this may seem insane if you are not very well versed in the affairs of the "War on Drugs" and prison system. If Joe Cocaine can buy his coke at the drug store, why would he give his money to Johnny Crackdealer? I know people that have been murdered by drug dealers and the only reason drug dealers exist is because it is lucrative. Stop the flow of money and you have stopped drug dealers and ended the "War on Drugs". Even Congress knows the best way to control people isn't through violence and war, it's through economic domination. This also ends long running foreign conflicts with drug producing nations such as Columbia without a single shot fired.
Step 7: Re-affirm the separation of church and state. Can your kid pray in school? Sure, why not - I mean every kid prays before a big exam! Can your president say he is the mouthpiece of God and that God has told him we need to invade certain countries? Hell no!
pendrgn
04-06-2007, 10:18 AM
wow, you are just asking for a insane listing of posts to follow this... lol... no one debates on teh internet, they flame...
I got to post something though, I am bored...
1. why? I am not sure I see teh point of this. can you explain
2. not sure what you truly mean, the 2nd amemdment is a hot topic and there is a lot debate, obviously though, it means something today it did not back in the day. The easrly america want people that were armed and could serve as soldier if needed to protect the country, today we have a standing army, something that they did NOT want back then, so do we have a need for people to be armed and ready to serve, I say no... remember bear arms in that cause back then meant to serve in the military sense, not to just be able to have guns and use them.
Personally, I dont see a problem with owning guns... but people show know how to use them... I just dont think the second amendment protects that, we should vote national on a law to protect us that is a new amendment to address this instead of trying to make an old amendment mean something that will debated forever.
3. even felons have rights, if I committed a crime at 16, that should not stop me from owning a gun at 30... imo
4. limits are bad... imo, like this time limit they want on iraq, you cant say a war or invasion or anything will take this long, etc... things take as much time as needed... I would rather have it flexible... if we impose a limit, how would WWII have gone? only have 1 country? hell, we took back many countries that we temporaryly controlled until the government of that country could be reinstated, would ahve been a long war i fwe had to wait to take the country back casue we could only be in one at a time... and what if congress said back then, we could only fight for 6 months, we would never have beatned germany in time, and they would have won... lol...
5. if illegals could not get jobs, they would not come here, the problem is also mexico, you know their government informs people how to get in our country and get a job illegally... hmmm... I say we invade them, after of course we leave iraq, cant have two countries at once now. hehe
6. been proposed, most cigerate companies have a plan if this happens to produce pot for mass market instantly... not sure if it will work, but hell, the war is not working... I think make legal to sell, but commpanies should make it clear you will be FIRED if you come to work with it in your system, just as beer is legal, but it will get you fired if you come to work drunk.
7. the president saying god told him something has nothing to do with seperation of church and state. I dont get your point. A priest can run for president, his religionous believes do not make that impossible. I feel you are saying that anyone religious cant be president, only people who dont believe in god?
! when we vote for a president, we vote on their morals and beliefs also, and they use them in office, now if Bush said God wanted him to build a 40ft jesus statue on the white house front lawn, that would be a seperation issue and should be allowed.
personally those countries are evil, I am glad he had the balls to say it instead of being all pc on the issue... cant wait until we invade iran...
this post will either be a great flame fest or locked by noon... exciting...
coonbottom
04-06-2007, 10:22 AM
Im going to lunch in a minutes so i will do this very quick like.
Step 1: Make it illegal for any citizen to live in the District of Columbia for more than 6 years.
Step 2: Affirm the right outlined (read: not granted, but confirmed) in the 2nd amendment as an individual right that cannot be infringed upon for any reason.
Step 3: Require all citizens over the age of 18 to own at least one firearm, provided they are not felons. Give a tax credit for the purchase price of first firearm.
Step 4: Redefine our foreign policy to allow only one country to be US occupied at a time and for a maximum amount of time only (say 4 years for instance). This includes dismantling the neocon plan that began in the 50's and 60's to invade certain nations in order to gain a strategic oil advantage and imprisoning those that helped keep this plan on track by lying to Congress.
Step 5: Make it a felony to hire illegals, whether you know they are illegal or not. The root of the problem isn't the illegals, it is those that knowingly hire them to save money...and ignorance is no excuse - due diligence is the only solution.
Step 6: Legalize and regulate all "illegal" drugs. Yes, this may seem insane if you are not very well versed in the affairs of the "War on Drugs" and prison system. If Joe Cocaine can buy his coke at the drug store, why would he give his money to Johnny Crackdealer? I know people that have been murdered by drug dealers and the only reason drug dealers exist is because it is lucrative. Stop the flow of money and you have stopped drug dealers and ended the "War on Drugs". Even Congress knows the best way to control people isn't through violence and war, it's through economic domination. This also ends long running foreign conflicts with drug producing nations such as Columbia without a single shot fired.
Step 7: Re-affirm the separation of church and state. Can your kid pray in school? Sure, why not - I mean every kid prays before a big exam! Can your president say he is the mouthpiece of God and that God has told him we need to invade certain countries? Hell no!
Step 1: Telling someone where they can and cant live should only be done by a king or a dictator. We have neither in this county.
2: agreed
3: so even mentally handicap people should have to buy a gun? Once again, government shouldnt force you to buy something.
4: define occupied? I would rather us have foreign bases, at my cost, than see politcal unstability break out in some regions.
5: agreed
6: My political views agree but i think we should be allowed to stomp a person to death if they run into me while under the influence of ANY drug.
7: Agree, too many stupid toaist religious laws are fucking with our environmental laws.
Very good points...
Im going to lunch in a minutes so i will do this very quick like.
Step 1: Telling someone where they can and cant live should only be done by a king or a dictator. We have neither in this county.
3: so even mentally handicap people should have to buy a gun? Once again, government shouldnt force you to buy something.
4: define occupied? I would rather us have foreign bases, at my cost, than see politcal unstability break out in some regions.
6: My political views agree but i think we should be allowed to stomp a person to death if they run into me while under the influence of ANY drug.
1: I was more aiming at keeping professional lobbyists out - this can surely be done a better way.
3. How about you are not forced to buy, but you get a tax credit for up to one firearm per year and an additional one firearm per dependent on federal taxes until income taxes are declared unconstitutional.
4. Occupied:Our soldiers have any type of patrol or any other active duty roles to play outside of military bases in foreign lands. For instance: patrolling the streets.
6. Yes, quite agreed - other existing laws for DUI/DWI already cover drugs that are currently illegal.
pendrgn
04-06-2007, 11:28 AM
Very good points...
1: I was more aiming at keeping professional lobbyists out - this can surely be done a better way.
3. How about you are not forced to buy, but you get a tax credit for up to one firearm per year and an additional one firearm per dependent on federal taxes until income taxes are declared unconstitutional.
4. Occupied:Our soldiers have any type of patrol or any other active duty roles to play outside of military bases in foreign lands. For instance: patrolling the streets.
6. Yes, quite agreed - other existing laws for DUI/DWI already cover drugs that are currently illegal.
6. just to clarify, existing laws for DUI/DWI cover drugs legal and illegal, you can get it for beer or a doctors prescription... under the influence is under the influence....
1. thats what you meant, ok... lobbiest suck, but they are here, I think there are better ways to deal with them...
4. soldiers are not trained well to police a nation... so I agree with that, need a spe cial trained group I guess...
coonbottom
04-06-2007, 11:40 AM
1: I was more aiming at keeping professional lobbyists out - this can surely be done a better way.
3. How about you are not forced to buy, but you get a tax credit for up to one firearm per year and an additional one firearm per dependent on federal taxes until income taxes are declared unconstitutional.
4. Occupied:Our soldiers have any type of patrol or any other active duty roles to play outside of military bases in foreign lands. For instance: patrolling the streets.
6. Yes, quite agreed - other existing laws for DUI/DWI already cover drugs that are currently illegal.
Gotcha.
1- i dont know if limiting residence will keep special interest out of government.
(im kinda torn on both sides of that argument)
3- I cant agree with a tax credit for fire arms. W/o getting long winded i think there maybe should be no sales tax on them but if firearms get that then that could cause a snow ball effect for other items. You know the hippies would want no sales tax on their pot pipes.
4- You are looking at this subject from the wrong way. A millitary is for one thing. Killing your enemy. If you want restrictions on what our armed forces can and cant do then you have to start at the beginning.
The president, althought the CaC, should not be able to use millitary force with out a decleration or war.
Only when a clearly defined objective is spelled out in the decleration should the president then be given the go ahead to use his office for what it is for, otherwise we loose a very important check and balance. If it takes occupation to break the will of an enemy, then that is what it takes.
Side rant:
We can have peace in Iraq in two weeks if we want it, whether the people of iraq wanted it or not. (think about how saddam brought peace to the country)
Our soliders are doing the best they can over there with out becoming butchers.
6- Once again, i am all for people doing to their own bodies whatever they want to do. No one should be able to stop them as long as anyone else isnt being hurt. But, look at china. Opium was legal for a while right? (i really dont remember my history worth a shit, i think it was legal?) Why did they have to then make the drug illegal?
BlackPearl
04-06-2007, 12:10 PM
I had promised to write a manifesto to express my ideals just to clear them up. It seems I have some views that half the people adamantly disagree with and I have views on other subjects that the other half of people want to string me up for. I invite anyone that disagrees with any of my views to have a civil discourse with me either here or, preferably, in person. I don't hope to 'convert' anyone to my ideals, but I do want to at least have people on the other side to be able to see why I believe my views are correct and even have a chance to change my views through logical debate.
Without further ado, here are my seven steps to save our country:
Step 1: Make it illegal for any citizen to live in the District of Columbia for more than 6 years.
Step 2: Affirm the right outlined (read: not granted, but confirmed) in the 2nd amendment as an individual right that cannot be infringed upon for any reason.
Step 3: Require all citizens over the age of 18 to own at least one firearm, provided they are not felons. Give a tax credit for the purchase price of first firearm.
Step 4: Redefine our foreign policy to allow only one country to be US occupied at a time and for a maximum amount of time only (say 4 years for instance). This includes dismantling the neocon plan that began in the 50's and 60's to invade certain nations in order to gain a strategic oil advantage and imprisoning those that helped keep this plan on track by lying to Congress.
Step 5: Make it a felony to hire illegals, whether you know they are illegal or not. The root of the problem isn't the illegals, it is those that knowingly hire them to save money...and ignorance is no excuse - due diligence is the only solution.
Step 6: Legalize and regulate all "illegal" drugs. Yes, this may seem insane if you are not very well versed in the affairs of the "War on Drugs" and prison system. If Joe Cocaine can buy his coke at the drug store, why would he give his money to Johnny Crackdealer? I know people that have been murdered by drug dealers and the only reason drug dealers exist is because it is lucrative. Stop the flow of money and you have stopped drug dealers and ended the "War on Drugs". Even Congress knows the best way to control people isn't through violence and war, it's through economic domination. This also ends long running foreign conflicts with drug producing nations such as Columbia without a single shot fired.
Step 7: Re-affirm the separation of church and state. Can your kid pray in school? Sure, why not - I mean every kid prays before a big exam! Can your president say he is the mouthpiece of God and that God has told him we need to invade certain countries? Hell no!
Step 1: Yes! I feel very strongly that many politicians are in office too long to be in touch with reality. They fail to acknowledge that time moves on.
Step 2: I have no problem with people owning firearms. So long as you are legit, I'm cool with it. I do not see the need, however, for an individual to purchase automatic weapons. That shit should be kept strictly for the intent of police and military personnel. If you need to go fucking hunt with a Mac-10or M4 then you should at least encase your pray in complete body armor and give them a chance. I mean seriously, it's fucking retarded.
Step 3: Eh....w/e
Step 4: Sounds too crazy to me. Americans need to face the fact that people hate them for the various reasons both good and bad. If anything, it should be a requirement for everyone when they turn 18 to go travel internationally get a fucking clue to what goes on in the world.
Step 5: This is like a catch 22, but I agree. Problem is the consequences would end up in the pocketbooks of many americans and if it's one thing you don't do is fuck with is our money.
Step 6: I don't know about ALL the drugs but I am 100% with you on this one. Can you imagine who much revenue could be generated by imposing taxes on this and turning drugs into business ventures?
Step 7: I feel that you have the right to worship and pray to whoemever you;d like. I am firmly against radical religious freaks who preach condemnation and fight to impose their values into people that don't support it. And I firmly agree that the person speaking to George Bush is everything else but God, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost.
pendrgn
04-06-2007, 12:25 PM
Gotcha.
3- I cant agree with a tax credit for fire arms. W/o getting long winded i think there maybe should be no sales tax on them but if firearms get that then that could cause a snow ball effect for other items. You know the hippies would want no sales tax on their pot pipes.
You dont have to pay sales tax, that is a state imposed tax. Simply start a bill to remove it and fight hard... or move to state in teh USA that does NOT have sales tax and be happy...
http://www.taxadmin.org/FTA/rate/sales.html
notice something on that page, a state does not NEED sales tax, but people keep asking for things, and taxes are suggested as the solution, and they pass... hell, a majority of LEON county people voted for those stupid half penny sales tax increases, so obviously they will complain about tax, but most in florida want tax... :hissy:
fatkid
04-06-2007, 12:26 PM
In for X's response......
J8127
04-06-2007, 01:11 PM
1- I don't think this will do anything, but I will admit I am not familiar with the issue you are trying to fix with this.
2- Agreed. I think anyone who wants a gun should be able to get one, felons included. Hell, ESPECIALLY felons. Its the same argument all of us have, if some one wants a gun they will get one, at least if a felon is dumb enough to buy one legally it gives police a small chance of tracking it.
3- I don't think it should be required, if you don't want one then fine, don't have one. See the addition steps I listed below for what I do think should be done.
4- This is stupid. If a country needs an ass kicking, it needs an ass kicking. If we had troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, Iran, and Darfur I would think we would be off to a good start.
5- Agreed.
6- I don't know much about this. Drugs and such are not something I take a strong stance on, I can see why you think it would work, hell it might, I don't know. However, the penalties for using drugs like alcohol should be stiff and harsh. It can be hard for me to advocate this because of my dad, but the penalties for DUI's are a fucking joke. My dad got a DUI, lost his license for a bit, now he is driving again. On one hand I am glad it worked out like this because I was absolutely sick of driving him around, however on the other hand it's bullshit.If I got caught street racing out at bloxom in the middle of the night with no other cars around, I could be arrested and put in jail and have my car impounded.
7- I agree but not for the reason you have. Church and State do need to be separated, but I think you are blowing Bush's comment out of the water. Like he said above, you sound like religious people shouldn't be allowed to be president. However the line is getting clouded. The Treaty of Tripoli (written by John Adams) blatantly states in Article 11, "As the Government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." When we see "In God We Trust" on our money, that was voted on to be the National Motto on July 30, 1956, during the Red Scare, and the same goes for the Pledge, "Under God" was added to the Pledge on June 15, 1954. HOWEVER, I do not think what our money says or 2 words in the pledge are a big enough issue to be a butt hurt little faggot about and cause a huge fuss over.
Some stuff I would do-
8- Create a class that all High School students must take. You cannot pass High School without this class nor can you get a GED. I would even go so far as to say you can not have a drivers license or vote without this class. The class will cover real life skills that desperately need to be taught. Everything from car maintenance to how credit cards work. It will also include gun training, and very basic self defense (like a 1 week crash course on taikwando or something). To pass this class, students will have to be able to do the following-
Balance a check book
Analyze a credit card offer and understand how credit works
Show ability in handling investments, IRA's, 401k's, etc...
Change a flat tire
Perform an oil change
Show basic knowledge of when car maintenance needs to be performed (oil change every 3,000 miles, tires are bald at 2/32's NOT when the fucking steel belts poke out)
Healthy diets and exercise, basically show that you know how to keep yourself healthy, so your stupid ass doesn't sue McDonald's for making you fat.
Defend themselves against an "attacker"
Pass an accuracy test with both a 9mm handgun and a proportionally powerful rifle (I must admit I am not all that knowledgeable about rifle sizes, I was thinking .308?)
Pass a test about gun safety rules and the laws of when deadly force may be used
All of the above would be a HELL of a lot more useful to know then how to find the length of a tangent line to a baseball field. I feel this would also solve a lot of problems once these kids become adults. Less accidents because of unsafe cars, less attacks period because EVERYONE can at least put up a fight, less people in massive amounts of debt, etc...
9- Physical standards to pass every grade in school starting at 5th grade. This morbid obesity bullshit has got to stop. I do not wish to offend any of our bigger members, but I don't think anyone in this country should be any bigger than Lloyd or Nate are (I pick you two because while you are big guys, you aren't sloppy fat fucks and I wouldn't want to piss either of you off. :tu: ) This solves so many health issues in this country it is insane. To pass each grade you should have to be under a certain weight based on your height and age, and pass a physical test of push ups, sit ups, and a run of a certain distance (starting at I dunno, like 1/4 of a mile for 5th graders and finishing with 3 miles for high school seniors). If you do not meet these standards you spend your summer at "happy fun camp". "Happy fun camp" will be under the control of the United States Marine Corps.
To quote the greatest movie of all time, "Were you born a disgusting fat body or did you have to work on it?"
10- I don't know how, but government spending needs to be fixed. I don't have the numbers to back it up so I could be wrong, but I would be willing to bet that the government (R and D, so don't try any Bush bashing responses) have enough money to do all the things we need it to. We don't need to raise taxes, we need to use the money we have more wisely. Also, if 8 and 9 are done, we now have healthy adults who can take care of themselves, and we don't need as much money so Jim Bob can have his 47 prescriptions.
11- Take more pride in our Military. I'm talking about some serious nut flexing. A lot of people in this country feel that the military is for the lesser educated, for the people who couldn't make it in college. Or how about the people who say the soldiers are hero's, but kick bitch and scream when their son wants to join and be one of those hero's. How about the bitches who spit on recruiters. Personally, I was asked by 9 out of 10 people who I told I was enlisting, "Why would you want to do that?" It makes me sick to be honest. There is a serious, serious lack of any sense of duty or honor in this country. One of my teachers had the nerve to tell me, "I assume you are just joining for the GI Bill?"
If you can see where I am going with this, it's a country full of healthy, strong, unretarded people with a government who doesn't waste money, and the society as a whole respect the hell out of the military.
Will never happen.
J8127
04-06-2007, 01:27 PM
One more thing,
12- Drug tests for those on welfare. Being on welfare should be equivalent to being on parole. You will have a welfare officer you must report too and give evidence that you are tying to get off welfare, you must take drug tests every 20 days or so, and failure to do so or fail a drug test = welfare check revoked. Working for Discount Tire I am subject to random drug tests. Why must some one who works be required to take drug tests, but those on welfare do not to get a free check?
coonbottom
04-06-2007, 01:47 PM
it's a country full of healthy, strong, unretarded people with a government who doesn't waste money
wha?!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v115/vdokane/delete/replytoX.jpg
Approves.
My tax dollars should be educating people. Not teaching them things their parents should.
..oh, and welfare is communism and should be abolished.
J8127
04-06-2007, 01:58 PM
I'm going to get absolutely destroyed for saying this, but Hitler did a lot of good for Germany. He took a country that was at its lowest point in its history, majorly in debt and blamed by the world for WWI and restored a sense of National Pride as well as turning the country into a world powerhouse. He almost conquered the world. Now of course Hitler was as evil as they come, I think that should go without saying, I don't think I should have to clarify that I don't think the holocaust was a good idea, but as far as ability to lead, Hitler was one of the best. I believe it was Churchill who said that if his country was ever in such a terrible state as Germany was in, he hoped that it could come up with a leader half as good as Hitler to save it.
tesgt350
04-06-2007, 02:04 PM
One more thing,
12- Drug tests for those on welfare. Being on welfare should be equivalent to being on parole. You will have a welfare officer you must report too and give evidence that you are tying to get off welfare, you must take drug tests every 20 days or so, and failure to do so or fail a drug test = welfare check revoked. Working for Discount Tire I am subject to random drug tests. Why must some one who works be required to take drug tests, but those on welfare do not to get a free check?
YES.........But I would perfer to just get rid of Welfare and make Healthcare FREE.
I'm going to get absolutely destroyed for saying this, but Hitler did a lot of good for Germany. He took a country that was at its lowest point in its history, majorly in debt and blamed by the world for WWI and restored a sense of National Pride as well as turning the country into a world powerhouse. He almost conquered the world. Now of course Hitler was as evil as they come, I think that should go without saying, I don't think I should have to clarify that I don't think the holocaust was a good idea, but as far as ability to lead, Hitler was one of the best. I believe it was Churchill who said that if his country was ever in such a terrible state as Germany was in, he hoped that it could come up with a leader half as good as Hitler to save it.
Hitler was an incredible, wonderful leader...an evil occultist leader, but a wonderful leader... If he hadn't have made a couple blunders, we would all be speaking German now...
coonbottom
04-06-2007, 02:49 PM
make Healthcare FREE.
I work for the government. (no really, i do)
Give me every single paycheck you bring home and i will make sure you have health care.
Sound like a good deal? All you have to do is trust me. :tu:
Im not paying for the crack head that has 6 HIV infected kids to go to the hospital every time she gets beat up.
(but in away, when i pay for my med ins, i am..sucks.)
Hitler was a good leader, but last time i checked, we lead ourselves thru who we elect.
tesgt350
04-06-2007, 03:02 PM
I work for the government. (no really, i do)
Give me every single paycheck you bring home and i will make sure you have health care.
Sound like a good deal? All you have to do is trust me. :tu:
Im not paying for the crack head that has 6 HIV infected kids to go to the hospital every time she gets beat up.
(but in away, when i pay for my med ins, i am..sucks.)
Hitler was a good leader, but last time i checked, we lead ourselves thru who we elect.
I stated that we should end Welfare then Make Healthcare FREE. There are more people NOT on Drugs that NEED Healthcare and TOO many people on Welfare that could actually get a job. Yes, some Crackheads will get to use the free Healthcare, but look how many people that are not on Drugs that do NOT have any Healthcare and really need it.
Turbonium
04-06-2007, 04:44 PM
All you liberals who want free healthcare that cried outrage about Walter Reed, that is what government healthcare will be like. Just do a search on BBC or SkyNews on whether the brits like their "Universal Healthcare".
Snow you have some good points but you know nothing about foreign policy or the military. Any limits on US military power will be used by our enemies as weak points to attack us. The number one mission in foreign policy is to keep your enemies guessing and present a strong front to deter possible attacks. If we show that we get going when the going gets tough, and all you have to do is bloody America's nose and she will go home then we will have a very rough road ahead of us. Osama said in 1993 when Clinton pulled out of Somalia that he realized then and there that if you send enough body bags home America will quit. These people and their ideology can be beat, just like we beat the ideas of Fascism in the 30's and 40's, but it will take sacrifice on the part of American citizens. In my opinion most American's have not sacrificed one thing to help us win the war on terror, everyone goes about their daily business without any thought that there are two major wars going on and many small battles being fought all over the world.
towelie
04-06-2007, 05:02 PM
Woah these are some long posts :evolve: .
tesgt350
04-06-2007, 05:24 PM
Snow you have some good points but you know nothing about foreign policy or the military. Any limits on US military power will be used by our enemies as weak points to attack us. The number one mission in foreign policy is to keep your enemies guessing and present a strong front to deter possible attacks. If we show that we get going when the going gets tough, and all you have to do is bloody America's nose and she will go home then we will have a very rough road ahead of us. Osama said in 1993 when Clinton pulled out of Somalia that he realized then and there that if you send enough body bags home America will quit. These people and their ideology can be beat, just like we beat the ideas of Fascism in the 30's and 40's, but it will take sacrifice on the part of American citizens. In my opinion most American's have not sacrificed one thing to help us win the war on terror, everyone goes about their daily business without any thought that there are two major wars going on and many small battles being fought all over the world.
I totally agree with you on this part.
brm03d
04-09-2007, 07:48 AM
I think some people need to brush up on some history classes in here. First off: most of the nation wanted George Washington to be king of the untied states. only 25% of the nation even liked the idea of democracy. Second, many of you guys want to change major points of the constitution that would cause much chaos, like the gun laws and whatnot. Ant third, founding fathers did not care about the bill of rights, they wanted to make the point that The united states is forming their own country separated from British rule.
I believe that some of your ideas are good when it comes to gun laws and the legislators, but the others would cause a whole slew of problems far worse than they already are.
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