Kid in Gainesville

[SS_Hokie]

Aside from all the animosity "most" people in Tallahassee against people in Gainsville, take a look at this video, it's short, only like 1.5 min.

Basically Sen. John Kerry was at UF yesterday and during open forum questions, a student decides to ask questions that were obviously controversial. The cops didn't like what he was saying, tried to escort him out, arreseted him and tasered him. He was arrested on grounds of disturbing the peace and reisistance of arrest.

I have my own opinions, but let's hear yours. Let's hear some good stuff, not the foolish bullshit like "Fuck the Gators" and what-not. This is your free-speech rights possibly at stake here...........

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html

[Gt]

It's BS that they were not going to let the kid finish and get a reply. He shouldn't of struggled against the officers tho. I don't think they needed to taser him either.

[DustnF]

I think he should be able to ask Kerry what ever he wants. It is an open forum. However, it is apparent the guy was only there to make trouble and apparently was refusing to leave the podium. If he would have just asked one of his controversial questions and sat down none of this would have happened.

;)

[ArtyG]

I agree with DustnF. I think he should've just asked his question, and sat down. And at the point where the cops were involved, he should've just walked out and left. I'm interested to see where this leads...

Oh yeah,
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DustnF again.

[dirtyblackhoe]

I really think that was some bullshit...the kid asked a ? and the cop decides to take things too far. That dude NEVER deserved to be tasered by watching that video and i really think that was a stupid waste of cop "power" to handle it how they did.

[scooby]

I agree with gt on that issue.

[vortechstang]

The whole video was not shown. Apparently the guy took up too much time, and when the mic was cut he got very upset. When you don't cooperate with police officers, this is what happens. When a cop tells you to do something, you do it. If he is wrong, you can have your day in court, but resisting arrest is not going to get you anywhere except on the ground screaming like a little bitch.

[Gt]

The whole video was not shown. Apparently the guy took up too much time, and when the mic was cut he got very upset. When you don't cooperate with police officers, this is what happens. When a cop tells you to do something, you do it. If he is wrong, you can have your day in court, but resisting arrest is not going to get you anywhere except on the ground screaming like a little bitch.

yeah, it seemed like the video was cut or something. Did he get any replies? If so, then yeah he should of just sat down and shut up. The video was edited to look like the guy was just asking a question, got the mic shut off on him and then pushed around by the cops. Sounds like both sides (him and the cops) went to far with it.

[Slow ET]

everyone, in some point of their life, should enjoy the full ride a taser... it was this kid's time

[T]

everyone, in some point of their life, should enjoy the full ride a taser... it was this kid's time

Note to self....... Avoid Broward County at all costs :funny:

[scooby]

taser are fun

[slmdLS1]

kids website.... http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

he looks to be an attention whore. the first video, the nbc 6 video is full length and shows him taken out of the building.

or here is another youtube vid...

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[SloNLo_350]

Yeah, that video tells the story a little better... he just kept rambling. He barely even asked a question, and pretty much asked it just to get a reaction out of people. Then getting an attitude with the cops BEFORE they did anything to him. That's his own damn fault.

[SS_Hokie]

I have to disagree............did he act rediculous after they tried to "censor" him......yeah, he did. Even if you listen in the background, you can hear Kerry saying "I'll answer the question." The cops were telling him he was inciting a riot.......what riot? I didn't see a riot, the only riot that was started was the one created by the cops by trying to shut him up. I mean, wtf, the guy did make a really good point about the 2004 election. I think we still are entitiled to our first ammendment rights.........correct? The skull and bones thing was a little rediculous I will agree. But, he did say that he wanted to educate everyone and then ask the question, which he did. He wanted to know why Kerry conceded the election before the "problem" was figured out with the disenfranchised voters and backward poll machines.

[burnoutking999]

Yeah, that video tells the story a little better... he just kept rambling. He barely even asked a question, and pretty much asked it just to get a reaction out of people. Then getting an attitude with the cops BEFORE they did anything to him. That's his own damn fault.

+1, the guy is a tool. he should have complied and gone to the papers if he really was interested in due process and legality... instead he made a ridiculous show and got the rewards and asshat deserves...













































me > you. censorship ftw!

[Tally TransAm]

that guy has some pretty big balls when hes up on the mic but cries like a little bitch when the cops get ahold of him

btw im always down to taser some gators if anyone wants to go to gainesville

[SloNLo_350]

that guy has some pretty big balls when hes up on the mic but cries like a little bitch when the cops get ahold of him

btw im always down to taser some gators if anyone wants to go to gainesville
We don't have to go to Gainesville... we have one right down the street at the Verizon place.

[slmdLS1]

We don't have to go to Gainesville... we have one right down the street at the Verizon place.

there is a cop working here. :drunk:

[pendrgn]

I have to disagree............did he act rediculous after they tried to "censor" him......yeah, he did. Even if you listen in the background, you can hear Kerry saying "I'll answer the question." The cops were telling him he was inciting a riot.......what riot? I didn't see a riot, the only riot that was started was the one created by the cops by trying to shut him up. I mean, wtf, the guy did make a really good point about the 2004 election. I think we still are entitiled to our first ammendment rights.........correct? The skull and bones thing was a little rediculous I will agree. But, he did say that he wanted to educate everyone and then ask the question, which he did. He wanted to know why Kerry conceded the election before the "problem" was figured out with the disenfranchised voters and backward poll machines.

i disagree with you here. I dont think his first admendment free speech was in anyway treaded on. It says in the article you posted, and on a few other sites I googled for the article that he cut up to the front of the line and took the next question spot for his speech.

So first of all, the cops have a right to maintain order, and stopping a show boat from cutting line and starting shit seems reasonable. You are making it sound like he was just another student wanting to ask a question, and that is not the case. You can have free speech when it is your turn, and he would have gotten it waiting in line, and does have it on his web site. He can not take away others right to free speech by cutting in line and show boating his agenda.

as for the taser, that seemed over the top. There were like seven officers and one student, and the cops felt the need to taser him, like they could not restrain him or cuff him otherwise, I doubt that. they obviously already had him under control except for this yelling about his rights, so throw him a car and shut the door. now all that did was make the cops bad guys too in the public's eye. going to be messy I think. having a video of it doesnt help either of their cases any.

on a side note, I heard OJ was arrested... lol.. now that is funny.

[attyjeff]

Short answer: he as well as everyone was advised of the RULES, i.e. what to ask, how to ask, how long you have, IF you violate the rules you can be asked to leave, I have viewed the video several times, he did resist the police, NOW my job is to help people who get in trouble with the police BUT this is not really a free speech arguement, IT looks like one but it is not, the mike was cut when he starting saying something about "blowjobs" look at the end he tryed to run back to the mike and he was taken to the ground, ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE STOPPED HAD HE STOPPED FIGHTING< ----- that does not mean he needed to swing, he was resisting, in short, if police tell you to leave, leave and call your lawyer, YOU WILL NEVER WIN ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR IN A POSITION LIKE THIS, if you dont agree then sue but to resist is stupid at the place he was at. OH you can legally resist a Unlawful arrest, but NOT with force, I would bet that with all the press someone somewhere will try to make this go away, BUT the kid was wrong

[XS CASH]

877.13 Educational institutions or school boards; penalty for disruption.--

(1) It is unlawful for any person:

(a) Knowingly to disrupt or interfere with the lawful administration or functions of any educational institution, school board, or activity on school board property in this state.

(b) Knowingly to advise, counsel, or instruct any school pupil or school employee to disrupt any school or school board function, activity on school board property, or classroom.

Seem's to fit and the tase looked good to. If a subject is actively resisting arrest, i.e. tensing up or pulling arms and feet away etc., the police are well within the criteria to tase. Why fight him and risk hurting him or an officer when you can tase and get compliance. Trust me you get tased once and do whatever it takes not to get it again.

[Greg Kulbick]

Who are you kidding, Brett, you would have shot him.

[pat94cobra]

way to represent your school by making a huge scene in front of a public speaker/ ex presidential candidate. had to make university of florida look real good huh

[Dredz172]

I lack sound on my computer, but from what I can determine, that UF kid looks like a bitch

If this adds to anything, I saw that the cops involved were placed on suspension with pay (so their superior must not fully support their decision to taser, or he would be defending them, not suspending them)

[SVT P-Tree]

The kid went way over-board and wastn't asking a question. He was being a typical liberal college smart ass and trying to act like an idiot when he got some mic time. He was acting all big and bad to impress everybody, and trying to be a smart ass. The cops asked him to leave, he should have shut up and walked out the door. Instead he starts yelling likes he's getting raped and makes a big scene. I don't know if the tassing was 100% neccesary, but the kid put himself in that postiion.

[attyjeff]

I lack sound on my computer, but from what I can determine, that UF kid looks like a bitch

If this adds to anything, I saw that the cops involved were placed on suspension with pay (so their superior must not fully support their decision to taser, or he would be defending them, not suspending them)

its policy to suspend WITH PAY........its a vacation, when its WITHOUY PAY you have a problem......start looking for a new job.

[christommy]

that kid at the end yelling police brutality is an ass hat
that kid was resisting wat three to five officers, they had the right to taze him, they told him to hurry and ask his question, and he kept babbling on, he should've asked his question then sat down. not kept runnin his mouth.

[slmdLS1]

get your "Dont Tase me Bro" t-shirts while supplies last...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6145811973 (facebook account required)


way to represent your school by making a huge scene in front of a public speaker/ ex presidential candidate. had to make university of florida look real good huh

that kid doesnt represent 40k UF students or the University in any way, just the same as some assclown here in tally doesnt "represent" FSU. if you'll notice, others in the crowd were laughing/snickering in disbelief.

[XS CASH]

Who are you kidding, Brett, you would have shot him.

Twice....just to be sure.

[Gt]

Police report student told them: 'You didn't do anything wrong' (http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS)

[Snow]

Yeah, the guy is a major tool. However, it would seem to me that they skipped a few steps in the use of force continuum, no matter which model you use...here's one example:

Desmedt and
Marsh (1990)


• Social Control
• Verbal Control
• Weaponless Control Techniques
• Pain compliance holds
• Control (short stick) instruments
• Stunning Techniques
• Direct Mechanical Techniques
• Neck Restraint ImmobilizationTechniques
• Electrical Shocking Devices
• Chemical Agents
• Impact Weapons
• Firearms

Though considering that it is commonly know that electric shocking devices are lethal to a percentage of the population, perhaps they should be placed only right before firearms...

[XS CASH]

LEVEL 4: Suspect
The suspect makes physically evasive movements to defeat an officer’s attempt at control. This may be in the form of bracing or tensing, attempts to push or pull away, or not allowing the officer to get closer to him/her. It also includes linked arms.t agencies

LEVEL 4: Officer response
The officer uses weapons, such as a baton, side handle baton, stun gun, or flashlight used as an impact weapon, primarily to control the suspect. If the officer is unable to gain control, he/she may advance to the next level.

Watched the video again.....and again. Still don't see any skipped steps and Taser International has paid out $0 in any wrongful death suit to date, and remember its only .004 amps and considered safe to use on people with pace makers and pregnant females.

[RBPOWER]

kids website.... http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

he looks to be an attention whore.


there are other vids him being a asshat at different spots

[SloNLo_350]

Yeah, the guy is a major tool. However, it would seem to me that they skipped a few steps in the use of force continuum, no matter which model you use...here's one example:

Desmedt and
Marsh (1990)


• Social Control
• Verbal Control
• Weaponless Control Techniques
• Pain compliance holds
• Control (short stick) instruments
• Stunning Techniques
• Direct Mechanical Techniques
• Neck Restraint ImmobilizationTechniques
• Electrical Shocking Devices
• Chemical Agents
• Impact Weapons
• Firearms Though considering that it is commonly know that electric shocking devices are lethal to a percentage of the population, perhaps they should be placed only right before firearms...
So they should have put him in a headlock, beat him with sticks, popped him in the head a few times to "stun" him, and placed him in a neck restraint before shocking him... Looks like he got off easy compared to your model haha.

there are other vids him being a asshat at different spots
The best part was where the cops said he stopped struggling and was quiet until the camera's showed up again... and then asked if the cameras were gonna be at the police station as well. He obviously intended for that to happen, but got more than he bargained for when the Taser came out.

[Slow ET]

the X26 uses even lower amps... something like .002 of 1 amp. As a comparison, it typically takes > 116 amps to kill a human.

[Greg Kulbick]

What could I buy with say, 115 amps?

[SloNLo_350]

What could I buy with say, 115 amps?
About 100milliamps is enough to cause fibrillation. Electric chairs use between 5 and 20 amperes... just to be sure hahaha. 115 might cause someone to explode... but that'd teach em to fuck with ya!! :clap:

[Turbonium]

get your "Dont Tase me Bro" t-shirts while supplies last...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6145811973 (facebook account required)





Someone beat me too it I was just saying this afternoon I need to make some don't taze me bro shirts.

[KSuchdeve]

Everyone doesn't realize that the action didn't start when the videos do. Kerry was going to answer some questions at the end of his presentation and only allowed 8 of them to be asked. When he said that this would be the last question, someone started asking it and the kid ran from the back of the line to the other mic saying that he was sick of hearing Kerry run around in circles and wanted to ask his question. he had been standing in line forever and wanted to get up to the front, ahead of everyone else that was waiting and didn't get to ask their questions.

There are a few different angles of this incident and in one you can see as soon as he starts asking the question (after the last real person had asked theirs), there were already a few officers behind him ready to take him out if he got out of control, which he did. he pushed the officer away which was resisting arrest, so right there it went from escorting him out to being arrested.

The inciting the riot charge I think was brought on by him saying "Help me, help me" trying to get other students to get the officers off of him.

They had him on the ground trying to get his hands behind his back but he continued to struggle. They got his right hand behind his back and in cuffs, but couldn't get the left hand back there. After numerous attempts, they couldn't get the other hand back there so they warned him that if he didn't do it, he would be tased. He continued to resist so they hit him with the taser in the left shoulder to loosen up his left arm to get it back there.

When they were leading him downstairs he was quiet and nice, but as soon as the cameras made it down there he started going crazy again saying that they were taking him to the government and that the government was going to kill him. wacko. When they were in the transport car, he even told the officers that he was sorry and that they weren't doing anything wrong and that they were just doing their job.

Here's a link to the full police report...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/09/18/offense.report.072274.pdf

In my opinion, I think he got what he deserves and hopes he gets the maximum sentence and doesn't get let off and end up suing the University PD.


Here's a funny video someone remixed....
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[KSuchdeve]

Another funny picture...
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/peijianz/n1096860584_30231977_954.jpg

I have so much info on this b/c we have an almost 8 page thread about it on another site.

[slmdLS1]

Someone beat me too it I was just saying this afternoon I need to make some don't taze me bro shirts.

he's gonna get in trouble somewhere down the line with UF(who's encouraging the state to proceed with charges) because on the back of the shirt he put "Gators dont tase Gators". while it was an open forum at the university, the tasing nor his actions have anything to do with UF, and im sure they dont want him makin $ on the misconception that UF is in any way involved. GPD are some real assholes though.

[KSuchdeve]

GPD are some real assholes though.
I believe it was University Police :shrug:

[slmdLS1]

I believe it was University Police :shrug:yeah. they are too. (actually they're worse)

[Mr_Bond]

Funnier remix
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