Ok, thinking of going nitrous...

[BlackPearl]

Here's the deal::nx:

I have officially conformed to the power of my car and can no longer except its performance. However, this is my DD and anything extreme has to be taken into the consideration that it needs to be reliable and well mannered. So, the more I think about the more I begin to drool at the thought of nitrous. I can get a halo kit from Nitro Dave and a tune from Tony for what would cost to get the headers I want and call it a day. I'd have stock drive ability, and the power for when I want to use it. AND I can always add the headers/cam down the road should my plans change.

Herein lies the problem:

I do not know shit about nitrous other than it can go zoom or boom. I am familiar with the safety devices and such, but as far as engine reliability is concerned I am not sure how it will affect the engine in the long run. Basically, due to my unfamiliarity with it, I'm just hesitant to go that route. So if any you fine folks have any experience please feel free to share. And yes I searched other forums but first hand accounts of people I know are always better than some potential poser.

This is the shit I'm talking about...he does have a big ass cam though...but the purge ownz me :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6Klq24ztjI

[PipeLayaz]

I'd get full bolt ons first and use no more than 100 shot. This is my opinion of course.

[BlackPearl]

I'd get full bolt ons first and use no more than 100 shot. This is my opinion of course.

I would be running a 100 or a 125 shot to begin with. That combo plus some DRs and I would be very happy with me times...until I get used to it :) That would put me over 400 to the wheels...

[KillerSS]

Headers+mild cam. I didn't even notice a difference in driveability in mine once it was tuned. The cam is by far the best bang for the buck mod you can do.

[Tally TransAm]

i have always talked crap about cars with nitrous and it pretty much boils down to i dont like the idea of NEEDING nitrous to go fast

the thing about it is even at 90% throttle the car is still the exact same. there are no part throttle changes, there is not midrange power changes, its only WOT. thats even something i dont really like about having it on my car now.

i much more prefer having power all the time because my favorite part of daily driving power is the amount of pull through the midrange which will remain completely unchanged if you add gas

[Davidz28]

Nitrous is harder on your engine than bolt ons or a cam would be

[LD50]

I'm putting my money on you not buying anything performance related and getting one of these:

http://www.lmperformance.com/4351/43.html

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[98 T/A Raptor]

Well here is my .02 I have a nitrous express dual stage wet kit on mine I spray 2 75 shot's. I have had it on my car since 04. I have not had a problem with the engine at all. (knock on wood)

The thing about a dual stage kit is that it is not as hard on your drive train because it is not all at once, and it is easier to hook of the line. And you can only spray one stage if you want. this is the best thing about it. Say you race someone that you don't need the whole 150 for you hit them with the 75 then when they get a few mods and want to race again you spray the 150 and then they still go home sad.

As for safety I would get an msd window switch and a fuel pressure safety switch. The window switch will allow you to choose when the nitrous comes in because you don't want to bog the engine while you are spraying because it could cause a backfire, and you can choose when it will shut off in case you hit the rev limiter leaving to much nitrous in the cylinder. The fuel pressure safety switch is like an insurance policy if you loose fuel pressure it will cut the nitrous. And of course a blow down tube (which I don't have)

I like it because it saves you driveability. It is the same car until you open the bottle. I hope this helps

[BlackPearl]

I know people always look down on people with nitrous, but to each his own and I don't really care about that.

This is comparison that I'm looking at and maybe you guys can see what I'm contemplating:
Nitrous halo kit = $950 (includes EVERYTHING, window switch, FPSS, remote bottle opener, bottle heater, blah blah blah)
Tune: $400
Total cost = $1350
Estimated HP: Over 400 to the wheels

Headers: ~$1200 (I could go pacesetters but don't really want to)
Cam: ~$650 (includes pretty much everything from MPH, Dustin bought from them as well)
Tune: $400
Total cost: $2250*
* Does not factor in torque converter which is a vital element in order to get the cam's full potential*
Torque converter = ~$545 + install (unless you guys know someone who can help)
Estimated HP: Maybe 400 to the wheels may need a ported TB and intake manifold which is an additional $400.
Estimated final cost with TC and Porting = $3, 195

Of course I could always add nitrous by going the N/A route. But that would take longer since everything is more expensive. I can also add the N/A parts by going with nitrous. I appreciate all your opinions and help, I'll have to give this some more thought since I absolutely LOVE the way a cammed car sounds with LTs, but the purge is pretty cool too. We'll see...

[Riceman]

I know Tanglewood here on the board had N20 on his GTO and put down some good times with it. Actually suggested I think about it after my cam/exhaust setup. It's a cheaper way to go fast, and can be safe if you don't go overboard and set it up right. It's not fool proof but, but not much is. I just wouldn't enjoy it because I want the power ALWAYS, just like Ryan. I'd run a bottle out quick just messing around.

[quicksilver]

I vote for nos i have run it for 10 years and love it. Don't cut corners always tune by the instructions and it will be fine.

[Tally TransAm]

dont forget it also cost $5 a pound now to fill a bottle

[mac_24_seven]

You've gotta think also mang.. That you can PIECE together a kit for cheap.

I've got $180.00 in mine and I've got a wet kit with purge. With the proper jets I can go to 150 hp.. Not that my ricer would handle that, but you know what I mean.


For what it's worth.. The Rangers original engine was a plain ole rebuilt 302 with cheap $7.00 a piece Badger pistons. Stock crank, stock rods.. Aluminum intake/headers, MSD ignition box/msd coil and a holley carb.

It went through MANY MANY bottles and sent everything it raced home with a sad face because they got beat by a stupid truck with a 302 and a lil juice, 100 shot to be exact.

A kinked fuel was the only reason it died.

Don't be stupid and nawZZ is your friend.

[DustnF]

Get the nitrous and hope you dont run into anyone when the bottle is cold, low on pressure, turned off, empty, or any of the other nitrous excuses....or, go NA and bust ass all day.

My $.02

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Last time you posted a what should I do thread you went against the popular vote. So why do another one?

[BlackPearl]

Last time you posted a what should I do thread you went against the popular vote. So why do another one?

Well the popular opinion seems mixed here and I wanna hear from the people who actually have had experience with Nitrous. I have no problem admitting that the other thread was kinda pointless but good ole Tony agreed with me and said I should've done the suspension first and build around it. That's gotta count for something :) :rice:

With this situation, I like to take the advice or opinions of people who have a good knowledge of their cars and can offer unique experiences to someone like me who is just beginning to build his very first car. Case in point, the comments made by Ryan and Dustin are very valuable since I didn't think about the whole WOT issue and the fact that keeping the bottle ready at ALL times is not necessarily the best thing to do. On the other hand, the nitrous peeps have contributed great info on their setups and what the outcomes have been. So thanks to all.....except you :finger:

[LD50]

Seriously man... HSV 3 piece spoiler. You'll need it when you put that 100 shot on.

[68stang289]

I don't know that much about nitrous but from a legal perspective, is it illegal to have the bottle in the open position when the car is just on the normal roads? I thought I read a story about that being illegal in GA or CA or somewhere but if it is in fact illegal, then that might be one more thing to think about.

Personally I would go the cam/headers route. It might cost you a little more but you know you're not going to be happy after having to refill the bottle a few times. I know my favorite part is being able to play around and get on her whenever my right foot gets the itch.

[nofxrxmxpx]

i've got my bottle "just in case". its fast enough on the motor where i only spray it maybe 1-2 times a month, saves money, saves life of the motor

[Dredz172]

What I would do: Start with headers/intake/tune. I picked up ~50 at the wheels with the bolt ons. That'll let you get a taste of more power, and set you up for your next mod. NA is the way to go. But I wouldn't just dive into a head/cam combo. I recently drove an LS1 with a Magic Stick 2 and supporting mods. I learned real fast that a large cam is not good for daily driving.

And don't "fear" the Pacesetters. Mine are JetHot coated, look shiney, fit is perfect, sound and perform great.

[undercoverZ-28]

I don't know that much about nitrous but from a legal perspective, is it illegal to have the bottle in the open position when the car is just on the normal roads? I thought I read a story about that being illegal in GA or CA or somewhere but if it is in fact illegal, then that might be one more thing to think about.

a friend of mine back in the day got caught with nitrous in his hatch and from what they told him, basically the bottle has to be empty and the lines disconnected because its not legal for street use. they also told him it had to be empty because it could be being used for "alternate purposes". if it is filled and connected aparantly it can be taken.

also like what has been said, with bolt ons and go fast parts you'll raise the hp level throughout the powerband. nitrous is just a one time hit, needs to be refilled, ages the motor, is illegal to have in your car on the street as stated and from what i've heard, you can never get enough once you get it. besides you can typically get better mpg with opening up your motor through exhaust and intakes. you dont really compromise the daily drivability except for loudness with boltons.

[BlackPearl]

Didn't think of the legality issues either. Good points. I knew about the refills but don't know how much it would generally last. This is exactly what I was looking for and I appreciate all the feedback fellas...

As for the spoiler...I'd definetely would need to add it :)

[Riceman]

If you get it, hide that shit. All kinds of places in the GTO trunk to hide a small to medium bottle.

[quicksilver]

Humm were talking about street racing and we are worried about the legality of the bottle?

[BlackPearl]

Humm were talking about street racing and we are worried about the legality of the bottle?

I don't really street race much at all. The occasional and I mean VERY occasional run in with someone and that's it. I'm just thinking in terms of getting pulled over and shit. Then again, if the bottle is in the trunk and disconnected than wouldn't that be ok?

YES!
This is the shit I'm talking about...he does have a big ass cam though...but the purge ownz me :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6Klq24ztjI

[v8minus2]

i had it a long time ago. i loved the instant hit of power. couldn't get enough of it though. i was constantly filling bottles. spraying on everything, accords, minivans,school buses, UPS trucks, tractors...

[tanglewood]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Compucar-Bottle-in-a-Bag-Adj-Nitrous-Oxide-EFI-System_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33740QQihZ014QQi temZ330228883658QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Compucar-0-1500psi-Nitrous-Pressure-Gauge-4-Adapter_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33740QQihZ014QQ itemZ330230230958QQtcZphoto

That's all you need, plus an "under gas pedal" switch (WOT) and a cheap arming switch. Remote bottle opener and heater are good too.

[undercoverZ-28]

I'm just thinking in terms of getting pulled over and shit. Then again, if the bottle is in the trunk and disconnected than wouldn't that be ok?

my friend was told disconnected AND empty. aparantly they think we get high off nitrous oxide.

[v8minus2]

yeah because huffing poisoness non medical grade nitrous is the in thing to do. i asked a cop about it once. he said tha as long as the bottle was closed that it was ok.

[undercoverZ-28]

yeah because huffing poisoness non medical grade nitrous is the in thing to do. i asked a cop about it once. he said tha as long as the bottle was closed that it was ok.

thats the same reaction i gave my friend when he told me that the cop eluded to the idea that people would huff nitrous. thats the great thing about cops too, you always get the same answer because they all went to law school and know all the laws so they can enforce them. i was once told my a cop to never believe what a cop says because they're not lawyers, they dont study law, just enforce it. the cop you talked to was probably cool and the one that got my friend was a douche. i'm not very good at looking up stuff like this but i'm sure theres a statute on this somewhere. if jeff reads this maybe he knows.

[high_ohh]

either pay alot now for cam, headers, tune and converter or pay $5 a pound for the bottle. which you might get a lil happy with since you like the purge so much lol.

[BlackPearl]

either pay alot now for cam, headers, tune and converter or pay $5 a pound for the bottle. which you might get a lil happy with since you like the purge so much lol.

TEH PURGE MACHINE :rice:

Anyone know how long a 10lb bottle lasts say if you are using it at the track vs the street? Average...

[quicksilver]

Of course it depends on how big of a shot you are using. I can get about 5 runs out of a 100 shot and about 4 with a 150shot. Unfortunally you don't get to use the whole bottle once it gets about 1/2 full your done. You will need some type of scale to weigh the bottle to see how much you have left.

[sstony]

get your nitrous and your drag radials. so i can bust your cheating ass:rice:

[nofxrxmxpx]

i don't think there is any law regarding nitrous, i've been pulled over quite a bit and no cop has ever said anything about it.. of course i usually have the line dis connected and the bottle off unless its party time

[BlackPearl]

get your nitrous and your drag radials. so i can bust your cheating ass:rice:

Did you say the same thing to that supercharged tiburon...we all know what happened then :rice:;)

[GoatFiddyone]

Did you say the same thing to that supercharged tiburon...we all know what happened then :rice:;)

Just throwing this out there, I might have heard about this!!:secret:

[sstony]

yeah i got beat by a blown nitrous tibby...from a roll on my street tires. i would have love to seen what that car would do to a stock goat. but i don't think its around anymore.

anyways--lemme know when your ready. and i advise you against drag radails now. they're not ideal for the driving you do

[BlackPearl]

yeah i got beat by a blown nitrous tibby...from a roll on my street tires. i would have love to seen what that car would do to a stock goat. but i don't think its around anymore.

anyways--lemme know when your ready. and i advise you against drag radails now. they're not ideal for the driving you do

sheesh, you have a short fuse. It was all in good fun man and it's not like I don't respect your car. You on the other hand...:heather20:rice:

[LD50]

my friend was told disconnected AND empty. aparantly they think we get high off nitrous oxide.

i want a 2 stage kit... 1st to the throttle body and second jet to the AC vents

[98 T/A Raptor]

I have a 15 pound bottle and It would last a good long time. I have gotten 2 visits to the track with it making about 6 runs each time in the 1/8th mile and maybe a little left to play on the street.

[BlackPearl]

i want a 2 stage kit... 1st to the throttle body and second jet to the AC vents

:beer:

[tibster]

I loved my 75Wet shot but $4+lb OWNED me!

[quicksilver]

i want a 2 stage kit... 1st to the throttle body and second jet to the AC vents

This is a great idea because you won't even care if you lose!!

[BlackPearl]

This is a great idea because you won't even care if you lose!!

QFT! :clap:

[mac_24_seven]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nitrous-oxide-EFI-system_W0QQitemZ290225033950QQcmdZViewItem

Thats the ticket right there.. Purge and all.

[undercoverZ-28]

i advise you against drag radails now. they're not ideal for the driving you do

+1. if its a daily driver the tread wear isnt ideal for daily driving you wont get much mileage/dollar and since it rains so much in tally they're not ideal for rain either (right matt?). when i put my nittos 555's on i only drove my car like 2-3 times/week and not in the rain if i could help it. i'd look into some KDWs's.

[GoatFiddyone]

As we talked about at lunch, people say that squeeze doesn't give you a broad range of power, only wide open. Unless you hang out at Road Atlanta or Barber then I could understand this as you would need different power delivery styles. Your talking just a spirited sprint in a straight line.......squeeze it up dude!:nx:

[98 T/A Raptor]

As we talked about at lunch, people say that squeeze doesn't give you a broad range of power, only wide open. Unless you hang out at Road Atlanta or Barber then I could understand this as you would need different power delivery styles. Your talking just a spirited sprint in a straight line.......squeeze it up dude!:nx:

:beer: