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[FlamingStang]

This is waaay too good to be true, but a little piece of me wishes it were. Anyone know anything about hydrogen fuel cells?

[ka-titties]

This is waaay too good to be true, but a little piece of me wishes it were. Anyone know anything about hydrogen fuel cells?

theyre being developed and are in use in some areas with hydrogen fill stations...

[pendrgn]

Why do you want it disproved? It is pretty cool, and they have replaced motors in vechiles with these and tested them. All the major makers are playing with the new tech.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fuelcell.shtml

[Nactall]

waiting for 300plus to chime in

[cefolar]

Hydrogen fuel cells are the final answer - beyond lithium celled electric cars. The problem is there is no distribution infrastructure to support it (filling stations). As soon as that catches up - look for them to be the solution to our oil problems. But - in the meantime if your hip to electric and want to do your part you could pick up one of these....http://www.teslamotors.com/

[Dredz172]

http://www.sciencestoreforthestars.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=753

We did one of those back in my high school shop class. Pretty cool because you can see it work on a smaller scale with larger implications.

[mac_24_seven]

But - in the meantime if your hip to electric and want to do your part you could pick up one of these....http://www.teslamotors.com/

Whats funny is the lil Eco freaks are all ga-ga over the hybrids (like the prius) but in reality the amount of pollution that comes from the production of the batteries is ridiculous and it's a moot point about which is more eco friendly: The Hummer or the Prius.

Googe it, interesting stuff. Probably all BS. I personally think the hybrids are crap, since nearly all the auto manf. have made cars in the past that got 40 mpg all the time, EPA.

Now all of a sudden, it's a huge deal. Ever heard of the freaking Festiva or Geo metro?

Since I'm bored, here's a few cars MPG. I got my stuff from this site. Change the year to 1995, pick small cars.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass.htm

For those too lazy to look:
Geo Metro 3 cyl, 1.0 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular
37city 44hwy

Suzuki Swift 3 cyl, 1.0 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular
37city 44hwy

Honda Civic 4 cyl, 1.5 L, Manual 5-spd, EGR/2-VLV (FFS), Regular
35city 41hwy

Geo Metro 4 cyl, 1.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular
33city 39hwy

Ford Aspire 4 cyl, 1.3 L, Manual 5-spd, (FFS), Regular
31city 38hwy

Thats just a few. And anybody with half a brain knows that you can get MORE mpg than what the EPA says.. I do it all the time by 5-8 mpg. Guys hit 50+ MPG out of Festiva's, Metro's and Civics all the time. Find you Honda CRX HF (specifically 1988) and you're lookin at 50+ mpg all the time.

Problem with these cars is they are little putt-putt mobiles (save for the civic, it's halfway peppy) that don't have all the creature comforts the newer cars have. pple piss and moan abotu fuel prices, but won't go without power door locks or power windows or 15 airbags when for decades cars were just fine without them.

/rant

[TylerGT]

I will remian skeptical of Hydrogen as a viable energy source untill a means of production from something other than fossil fuels(Nat. Gas) is achieved. Show me clean H2 from a glass of water thats overall energy positive and Im on board!

[sstony]

i think its a good idea. i'd like them to start with all the big commercial vehicles that are running 24/7 first and see if it works out.

i do not think highly of hybrids after learning more about them.

[cefolar]

I will remian skeptical of Hydrogen as a viable energy source untill a means of production from something other than fossil fuels(Nat. Gas) is achieved. Show me clean H2 from a glass of water thats overall energy positive and Im on board!

How about getting it inTablet Form (http://www.dtu.dk/English/About_DTU/News.aspx?guid=%7BE6FF7D39-1EDD-41A4-BC9A-20455C2CF1A7%7D) which is a combination of sea salt and ammonia. That's close to a glass of water (or at least salt water) and household cleaners. :mrgreen:

I am all about debunking hybrids - and I don't undertstand why we don't utilize all of the kinetic energy wasted in a moving vehicle (air flow for powering small wind driven alternators, spinning driveshafts or axels running small generators) - I am not suggesting that you get near perpetual motion theories....but it seems to me there is at least some residual energy to harness there especially for generating electrical power to "charge while you drive" lithium power cells.

[TylerGT]

How about getting it inTablet Form (http://www.dtu.dk/English/About_DTU/News.aspx?guid=%7BE6FF7D39-1EDD-41A4-BC9A-20455C2CF1A7%7D) which is a combination of sea salt and ammonia. That's close to a glass of water (or at least salt water) and household cleaners. :mrgreen:


thats H2 storage. Theres several technologies out there to store the gas since a tank of it at 2000psi under your seat isnt a good idea. PRODUCTION on the other hand is still mostly from Natural Gas.

[Beach Bum]

I'd like to see a fusion breakthrough more than anything. That would solve non-vehicular energy problems, and the reactors would hopefully pump out enough juice to be able to electrolyze water for H2.

[300Plus.net]

anyone see the update on the "volt"? I'm all about Hydrogen/Electric hybrids but until then this thing will run 40 miles on a single overnight charge and to fully charge the Batteries "during off peak hours" will only cost 80 CENTS! and most ppl in the U.S. drive much less then that a day, according to their statistics. But after that a tiny gasoline engine kicks on to charge the batts back up.Slap a hydrogen engine to that instead of the gas engine and you've got a very efficient,cheap, environmentally friendly car.

In the next 5 years I think we will see huge leaps in battery technology as well as hydrogen production, now that the big car manufacturers are on-board!

[nofxrxmxpx]

fuck the environment, i wanna go fast.

[300Plus.net]

have you seen the potential of an electric motor car with no tranny? with an electric motor you can literally push a button and instantly have 100% power. Or even better create the perfect power to the wheels curve, there is a lot of high speed potential in E-motors

[cefolar]

have you seen the potential of an electric motor car with no tranny? with an electric motor you can literally push a button and instantly have 100% power. Or even better create the perfect power to the wheels curve, there is a lot of high speed potential in E-motors

Like this .... http://www.teslamotors.com/

$109k and it's yours...

[pendrgn]

thats H2 storage. Theres several technologies out there to store the gas since a tank of it at 2000psi under your seat isnt a good idea. PRODUCTION on the other hand is still mostly from Natural Gas.

In the here and now, steam reforming of natural gas is actually the most common method of hydrogen production, I agree... but there is a laundry list of alternative ways to get hydrogen. People use natural gas since it was a known easy way, but now that we are thinking of hydrogen cars and needing large supplies that are eco-friendly, they are working on taking other processes and making they user friendly and cheap also. take GE as one example, they have their new Noryl catalyst system. Really, it is the same way I made hydrogen in Chemistry in the 6th grade. Electricity in water with two charge metal poles. But they have it with a new type of metal that reduces the cost of electricity greatly making it so you could literal have self pumping stations in your house with a little wind power.

I like hydrogen the best personally, cant wait to see where it all goes.

[300Plus.net]

Like this .... http://www.teslamotors.com/

$109k and it's yours...

Yea always liked the Tesla. The Chevy Volt is suppose to cost around 35 to 40k, or that's the "target price". I'm sure we'll see more companies get into the game and hopefully drive the price down some.