No Ethanol Stations

[Sandy H.]

Post stations that DO NOT SELL ETHANOL.

[spadoc79]

i think the bp on n. monroe across from red lobster is still non ethanol.

[fishin-nole]

The old Gulf station way out W.Tenn near where Mazada used to be. I think it's a Pure station now. The Chevron just south of I-10 and Lowes on cap.circle sw had ethanol free gas last time I was there. The last one I can think of and it may not have it now is the lilttle station across from Kevins.

I usually fill up once a month at Bishops north of Havana. They have a sign on the pump that it is ethanol free.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

The Shells that are not attached to a Circle K don't have it.

[ryandamartini]

The Shells that are not attached to a Circle K don't have it.

not true, the shell on Tennessee near the Gate station is not attached and it has ethanol signs >.<

[Gt]

http://www.fuel-testers.com/florida_ethanol_news_e10.html


Florida law requires E10 gas pump labeling, E10 sticker on pump when ethanol is added.

By 2010, all public conventional gas supply in Florida will contain ethanol.

Excerpt from 2008 Florida FUEL STANDARD:
"-- Beginning December 31, 2010, all gasoline sold or offered for sale in Florida by a terminal supplier, importer, blender, or wholesaler shall be blended gasoline.
EXEMPTIONS.--The requirements of this act do not apply to the following:
(a) Fuel used in aircraft.
(b) Fuel sold for use in boats and similar watercraft.
(c) Fuel sold to a blender.
(d) Fuel sold for use in collector vehicles or vehicles eligible to be licensed as collector vehicles, off-road vehicles, motorcycles, or small engines.".
For Florida RFS Renewable Fuel Standard -See House Bill 7135, Section 103 of the Florida Statutes.

Alcohol Gas Test Kit will confirm presence or absence of ethanol in fuel.
Will also give percent to validate gas contains below legal limit of 10%.

[ryandamartini]

Time to list the locations selling marine gas! :p

[pendrgn]

(a) Fuel used in aircraft.

I should be able to qualify for that in my car :) I have logged the flight time.

[Stark77]

When you say no ethanol, do you mean no E85 or no 10% ethanol mixed into the gas?

[high_ohh]

Post stations that DO NOT SELL ETHANOL.

I found out this afternoon that the BP, Maxwells, at 90E and Crump sells straight up gas.

Did not no that! getting gas tomorrow then since its up the road from my house. See if i get a little better than 20mpg(with mainly interstate driving, it sucks) lol

[Gt]

When you say no ethanol, do you mean no E85 or no 10% ethanol mixed into the gas?

They are talking about the 10% mix.

[Baldy]

What's wrong with the 10% mix?

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Worse fuel mileage, harder on the engnine.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

not true, the shell on Tennessee near the Gate station is not attached and it has ethanol signs >.<

There are 6 or 7 Shells around Tallahassee not attached to a Circle K and I use them all the time and they do not have Ethanol signs. The Co-owner comes in to my shop and we always talk about how his does not have it. So if that the 1 that has it then it is not owned by the same person.

[Jasonzo6]

Worse fuel mileage, harder on the engnine.

Cuts my mileage by 2 mpg.

[Bryan02TA]

sucks on boat motors even more!

[Sandman]

I don't mind the ethanol

[TurboStutr]

sucks on boat motors even more!

Oh yeah, a lot of guys at work with boats hate it...same with 4-wheelers and the like. I've lost 2-3mpg since the switch, too...no bueno.

[Supradedupra]

That's it... time to fill up on Avgas

[KattWoman01]

not true, the shell on Tennessee near the Gate station is not attached and it has ethanol signs >.<

This Shell Gas Station is also not owned by Rainey Cawthon like the others are.


The stores owned by Rainey Cawthon are...

Gaines/Railroad
Apalachee Pkwy/Capital Circle
Capital Circle NW/I10
Thomasville Rd.
Tennesse/Call

[Gt]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/story/1C094E3E16BC41FE8625767F00051AA1?OpenDocument


Ethanol makers await EPA decision
BY Jeffrey Tomich
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
12/01/2009

Coming off the most turbulent year in its history, the ethanol industry will fix its attention on Washington today — the deadline for environmental regulators to decide whether to allow more corn-based fuel in the nation's gasoline supply.

Growth Energy, a trade association representing more than 50 ethanol producers, asked the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in March for permission under the Clean Air Act to allow the use of conventional gasoline that contains as much as 15 percent ethanol. The limit has been 10 percent since 1978.

The EPA is supposed to announce a decision no later than today. Spokeswoman Deb Berlin said the agency will meet the deadline despite speculation otherwise.

"EPA remains committed to making an announcement by the deadline of Dec. 1," she said in an e-mailed statement last week.

Whatever the outcome, the decision is sure to rankle some industry lobbies that have been sharply divided over the issue of putting more corn in the nation's gasoline tanks.

A broad coalition of interests, including automobile and engine manufacturers, food and livestock industries, oil companies and environmental advocates, have urged the EPA to deny Growth Energy's request.

The ethanol industry, still recovering from a shakeout that left several of its largest producers scrambling for bankruptcy protection, has lobbied vigorously for the change, arguing that its near-term future rests with the EPA's decision.

A 2007 federal law mandated the use of 36 billion gallons of ethanol by 2022, including 15 billion gallons this year. But finding a use for all of the ethanol that's supposed to be produced hasn't been so easy.

Most gasoline sold in the U.S. already contains 10 percent ethanol. And demand for E85, a purer ethanol blend that can be used only in so-called Flex Fuel vehicles, has been slow to develop.

Nationwide, there are 202 ethanol plants capable of making 13.4 billion gallons of fuel, according to the Washington-based Renewable Fuels Association. Missouri is home to six of them. Illinois has 13, including one in Sauget. RELATED LINKS
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Another 1.4 million gallons of ethanol capacity is under construction, including a Madison plant being developed by Chesterfield-based Abengoa Bioenergy.

That means production capacity is quickly approaching volumes equal to 10 percent of the nation's annual gasoline demand — a reason the ethanol industry sees a significant barrier to additional expansion unless the current blend limit is raised.

"In order for the industry to regain its legs and be a long-term, sustainable industry, you have to have some expansion of the market potential," said Gene Millard, chairman of ethanol producer Golden Triangle Energy LLC in Craig, Mo.

Missouri's plants would seem to have a guaranteed market because of a state law that requires the sale of gasoline with 10 percent ethanol. But producers are still vulnerable to big competitors in neighboring states.

"We're not an island," said Millard, who is past president of the Missouri Renewable Fuels Association. "We can't isolate ourselves."

In its application with the EPA, Growth Energy argues that increasing the ethanol content in gasoline would be good for America. It would create an additional 6 billion gallons of annual demand, thousands of new jobs and limit dependence on foreign oil, the group says.

Ethanol producers also contend it will provide a catalyst for investment in emerging companies that are developing biofuels from materials other than corn, such as grass and algae.

If the EPA won't act immediately to approve E15, the group is seeking approval of a 12 percent or 13 percent blend while additional research is conducted.

The campaign by ethanol producers and corn growers has reignited debate over the impact of ethanol on food prices and whether the fuel delivers the environmental benefits that its supporters claim.

The American Petroleum Institute, the lobbying group for the oil and natural gas industry, said in its comments to the EPA that there isn't "sufficient credible scientific and technical support" for allowing more ethanol in gasoline.

Opponents also argue that higher-level ethanol blends could damage millions of lawn mowers and other vehicles and equipment because of the corrosive nature of the fuel.

Grocers, meanwhile, say policies that lead to increased corn ethanol use will lead to higher corn prices and, ultimately, higher prices for meat and dairy products — an argument that the ethanol industry and corn growers dispute.

Even if the EPA approves higher concentration of ethanol in gasoline, it won't likely mean much for fuel demand outside of the Corn Belt, said Rick Kment, an analyst at DTN, a commodities research firm based in Omaha, Neb.

"We will see a significant amount of blending in the ethanol-rich states," Kment said. "But that's just a small piece of the pie compared to the population dense areas of the east and west coasts. Long term, we're going to have to have more locally produced ethanol, and that's going to depend on alternative (feedstock) sources."

That was the hope of the 2007 federal mandate. But wide-scale commercialization of advanced biofuels, such as cellulosic ethanol from agricultural waste and algae-based fuels, remains at least a few years away.

That puts the onus on corn-based ethanol to keep the biofuels industry growing.

Pavel Molchanov, a Raymond James analyst in Houston, is skeptical that can happen. In a Nov. 2 report, he said the economics of the corn ethanol business suggest the industry's best days are behind it, no matter the EPA's decision.

"Finito, Kaput. Sayonara," he said. "However you say it, we think there is no denying the fact that America's corn ethanol industry is finished."

[Raptor05121]

That's it... time to fill up on Avgas

your going to put leaded 100 octane fuel in your car? I dont even run AvGas in my plane...I have it STC'ed for 93 autogas

[fishin-nole]

"Finito, Kaput. Sayonara," he said. "However you say it, we think there is no denying the fact that America's corn ethanol industry is finished."

Let's only hope that he is correct.

[1slowGTO]

why would they want to put something into the fuel that will damage an engine...makes no sence to me

[Stark77]

Corn based Ethanol is economically inefficient, end of story. Hopefully all of the recently unearthed info on the manipulated "global warming" information will quell this congressional fart of an idea. If a business can't be sustained without government manipulation or intervention, then GTFO!

[Raptor05121]

Corn based Ethanol is economically inefficient, end of story. Hopefully all of the recently unearthed info on the manipulated "global warming" information will quell this congressional fart of an idea. If a business can't be sustained without government manipulation or intervention, then GTFO!

So far I've jumped from 14 city to 18.5 city since i started filling up at that BP across from red lobster. :bowdown:

[ryandamartini]

So far I've jumped from 14 city to 18.5 city since i started filling up at that BP across from red lobster. :bowdown:

I pumped the ehtanol crap out of the camry and filled up with a full tank of premium. I think I am going to run a couple more tanks through then ease back to 87 or 89 octane. The car feels like it is thanking me the way its driving.

[Raptor05121]

I pumped the ehtanol crap out of the camry and filled up with a full tank of premium. I think I am going to run a couple more tanks through then ease back to 87 or 89 octane. The car feels like it is thanking me the way its driving.

i dont think the octane is doing anything for ya. i know BP has some good gas so it might be that invigorate stuff or whatever, but the octane is just knock resistance for detonation.