Dyno Day [Archive] - Tallahassee Muscle Car Association

fatkid

12-13-2003, 01:51 PM

Damn wish i could have gone. Heard teh guy had a twin turbo lingenfelter vette. But heard everyone got pretty good numbers especially FL_Zinc and Lazer01Cobra. Congrats to all. POST UP all numbers though.

redmach1

12-13-2003, 01:52 PM

Greg is now torque pig. That is all.

fatkid

12-13-2003, 01:53 PM

thats what i hear

12-13-2003, 02:09 PM

Ok, here is my graphs.

whetstone.001 in blue was stock with K&N filter
whetstone.003 is with the chip, pulleys, exhaust, and open air filter

12-13-2003, 02:12 PM

Now, check this out. I switched from the open air filter right off the MAF, back to my CAI pipe. That puts the filter in the fender. This shows that the car made more torque with the CAI pipe, but needs some fine tuning to get the rwhp #s back up higher.

whetstone.003 = chip setting 3 open filter
whetstone.005 = chip setting 3 cold air pipe

fatkid

12-13-2003, 02:16 PM

Damn nice #'s Tony!!!

12-13-2003, 02:16 PM

And here is why it did better with the cold air pipe. It leaned it out more...

slmdLS1

12-13-2003, 02:24 PM

nice numbers tony...for some reason i thought you made more though, lol...i mean damn your so close to 12's with 254rwhp....NICE!! :mrgreen:

SteedaRR

12-13-2003, 02:28 PM

Yeah nice day........
:crazy:

93zm6tally

12-13-2003, 02:38 PM

350.9/346.0 SAE RWHP/RWTQ

A little dissappointing really. Same as my numbers from last trip, the graphs almost lay on top of each other. Was hoping for a little more, but Ryan thinks I could be seeing some loss because of the rear end. I'm also running richer than last time where I stayed around 12.8 throughout the run, this time stayed pretty much about a point lower 11.8 average and as rich as 11.3.

But it was a great day alot of fun and a pretty decent lucnch at JB's.

Tally TransAm

12-13-2003, 03:11 PM

ill post graph later

right now im examining my rear end (on the car dickweeds)

i was getting some weird vibrations on the ride home

Bryan02TA

12-13-2003, 03:13 PM

260/259 SAE RWHP/RWTQ

I was running very very rich! It was below the charts, which ends at 10. I need a chip....TONY!!!!

12-13-2003, 03:20 PM

260/259 SAE RWHP/RWTQ

I was running very very rich! It was below the charts, which ends at 10. I need a chip....TONY!!!!
I would have thought you would put down more than that. Thats stock territory (255-265) and O/R mid-pipes are a proven good power mod (~10).

Kinson Cook, Jr

12-13-2003, 03:23 PM

I had a great time driving up and seeing all the cars. Damn nice place. What did he have something like 12 vettes? Too bad I'm not into them, though.

jlaw

12-13-2003, 03:48 PM

I <3 the Blingenfelter

Tally TransAm

12-13-2003, 04:44 PM

well everything looked fine in the diff, changed the fluid and shit

heres my graph

http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/headcam1dyno.JPG

another pull was 389.4 hp and 378.2 ftlbs

kinda confused on why i gained 20 something hp, yet 6-7 mph

CrazyBosnian

12-13-2003, 05:31 PM

Mark, you did loose anywhere from 10-20 rwhp to you rear...So dont be too dissapointed...And ryan u have to look at it as gaining mph on the same exact day, colder weather and diff DA can make a huge diff...Btw get urself a bigger cam :headbang:

brandboZ28

12-13-2003, 06:19 PM

281hp/302tq<---------somewhat dissapointing

Thanks for everyone coming out today. It was a ton of fun. The cruise was a blast, 15 obnoxiously loud cars is never a bad thing:D I think I figured out what I want to do with my life, I want a shop like Aaron, its a work of art. Simply amazing. :headbang:

Slow ET

12-13-2003, 06:35 PM

I think the times with your old tires were misleading in the fact that you were spinning some down the track, losing mph. With the DRs, it looks like your planting pretty well, resulting in more accurate MPH. Id imagine with the pullies and better air 120 traps are around the corner.

12-13-2003, 07:08 PM

Tally T/A..Peak might of only went up 20hp, but what about the rest of the curve?

Tony

Tally TransAm

12-13-2003, 07:08 PM

i was running nittos and cutting 112-112.5 in similar DA with similar weight

you dont gain 5-6 mph, maybe 7 now with the pullies, and only gain 23 on the dyno

something doesnt add up???

Tally TransAm

12-13-2003, 07:09 PM

nothing drastic changed on the rest of the curve, torque curve jumped nicely though

you didnt happen to get my runs on disk did you tony??

12-13-2003, 07:11 PM

I only got todays runs. I tried to grab what I could. But I didn't know everyones last name.

Tony

Greg Kulbick

12-13-2003, 07:50 PM

I'm a little dissapointed with my n/a numbers for obvious reason. Running real rich but throwing a lean code, tuning may take care of it. After the lean code popped up I jetted the nitrous one jet richer just to play it safe, which led to be a big mistake. AFR on the nitrous pull was off the charts by 4100 rpms, 10 to 1 and richer. I wonder what I would pick up rejetting it the way it was... Anywho, here's the numbers:

235.7 rwhp/273.9 rwtq n/a
340.4 rwhp/463.2 rwtq n2o

I hit peak hp at 3900 rpms then it stayed right at 323 all the way across the graph 5300. Drastic dip when it got too rich. N/A peaked right at 5000 rpms, AFR was at 11.2. Peak torque on the gas was at 3800 rpms and stayed above 300 ft/lbs to 5600. N/A torque peaked at 4100 rpms. I'm very happy with my torque numbers obviously. N/A is going to need some work.

12-13-2003, 07:52 PM

Ya, those numbers N/A are pretty low. First thing, ditch the C&L pipe. I've only heard of people loosing power with that thing.

Tony

brandboZ28

12-13-2003, 07:57 PM

Ya, those numbers N/A are pretty low. First thing, ditch the C&L pipe. I've only heard of people loosing power with that thing.

Tony
Can you say heat-soak?!?!

Greg Kulbick

12-13-2003, 07:58 PM

A stock replacement is in the mail as of Thursday. I had been thinking of ditching it, just never got around to it. I was telling Kinson that I got such a deal on it and the fact that there isn't a big post in the middle of it, I went ahead and got it. I need to clean up my o2 sensors someday too. After seeing the AFR graph, I'm fairly certain its throwing the code because they're just gunked up. Hopefully a lean code isn't doing shitty stuff making the computer do other shitty stuff.

brandboZ28

12-13-2003, 08:01 PM

I think he meant the C&L PIPE, not the mass air. I could be wrong.

12-13-2003, 08:08 PM

both actually

Tony

Greg Kulbick

12-13-2003, 08:13 PM

I've never heard anything bad about the pipe. :shrug:

sstony

12-13-2003, 08:18 PM

304.9 rwhp 319.9 rwtq cutout closed
310.8 rwhp 324.4 rwtq cutout open
not bad for a nearly stock LS1. less than 2k til warranty expires, then it'll be time for more mods. i had a great time and that was an unbelievably clean shop. i just wish i still had $60 in my wallet :shrug:

12-13-2003, 09:40 PM

Hey shock6791,

I was looking at your dyno sheet, I think your valve springs are shot or something. That car should not fall off like it did on the dyno.

Tony

17TH SVT

12-13-2003, 10:04 PM

even tho i didnt dyno, it was a lot of fun. i couldnt go to jb's because i had to go to work at 3. i thought it was funny that when i left my house and turned on to thomasville, i caught back up with the group that was coming into town from jb's! :P

shock6791

12-13-2003, 10:12 PM

hmm, that could be one problem. I have been trying to figure out what it would be all afternoon...after I get back from break, I am going to start taking things apart...

99mustang

12-14-2003, 08:21 AM

great numbers eyeryone, i cant wait to get my car back with the new parts

Bryan02TA

12-14-2003, 09:35 AM

I would have thought you would put down more than that. Thats stock territory (255-265) and O/R mid-pipes are a proven good power mod (~10).
I expected more also, but with me running as rich as i was, i lost a lot of power because of it. Once i get a chip (in less than a month), i'll have to do it again.

brandboZ28

12-14-2003, 10:31 AM

Yea, we are definatly doing this again after everyone gets settled back in town from the holidays. I know I have some things to do(like CAI) and I would like to see what happens with it before I jump on the track on the 24th:mrgreen:

Bryan02TA

12-14-2003, 10:44 AM

Jan 24th???

brandboZ28

12-14-2003, 10:53 AM

Yes, thats when G'sville opens back up.

Bryan02TA

12-14-2003, 11:13 AM

woohoo, if i have my tune by then...i'm there

redmach1

12-14-2003, 11:15 AM

here is my graph. my peak numbers were 280.1 rwhp and 302.5 rwtq.

sstony

12-14-2003, 11:29 AM

quick question--everyone's dyno chart started well below 3k rpm. mine started at like 3200. i did notice that my max torque was at that range--is that the reason. :shrug:

Greg Kulbick

12-14-2003, 11:31 AM

The guy at the shop that did mine started at 3200 and 3400 on mine too. I thought they would have started lower. I wanted to see the window switch kick in too.

12-14-2003, 11:34 AM

The runs start where u want them to start. I started mine @ 2000-2300. If the car was an auto, its hard to get them to start lower then 3k, cause they want to downshift out of your 1:1 gear.

Tony

12-14-2003, 11:38 AM

Also, to those that want to compare thier runs. Place the graphs over each other etc. Download Dynojet's Run Viewer here (http://www.dynojet.com/viewer/RunViewer7.0.1.0.zip)

Then I uploaded the files from yesturday too here (http://www.tallahasseemusclecar.com/dyno/12-13-03/)

I'm sorry if I didn't get everyones file, but I didn't have everyones last names. And I was just grabing what I could guess that was ours.

Tony

93zm6tally

12-14-2003, 12:46 PM

Jericho574

12-14-2003, 01:20 PM

340/463???

Is that big of a difference in torque (120) normal?

Slow ET

12-14-2003, 01:31 PM

nitrous is torque in a bottle

jlaw

12-14-2003, 02:39 PM

Yeah, wet kits are torque beasts

Jericho574

12-14-2003, 04:19 PM

nitrous is torque in a bottle

well alrighty then

shock6791

12-14-2003, 04:40 PM

thanks for uploading those tony, I appreciate it 8)

Signal 12

12-14-2003, 06:35 PM

nice #'s fellas.

Mike

12-14-2003, 10:14 PM

97MattGT

12-15-2003, 12:08 AM

I expected more also, but with me running as rich as i was, i lost a lot of power because of it. Once i get a chip (in less than a month), i'll have to do it again.
You are getting a chip already? Do you plan on more mods because you would just have to retune it anyways. Maybe a FPR and drop the pressure a little?

only thing i would suggest is that SCT software. Dial in the air/fuel, along with adding timing advance. You'd pick up some nice power with that.

Plus you've got room to grow since you have full control over everything.

12-15-2003, 09:11 AM

Well, I've had an intermittent nasty breakup/miss above 5000, but made a run anyway to see if the AF ratio could help me narrow down whether it's spark or fuel. Started at 2500 and she can usually rev to 7000 with no problem. This is what I got before I shut it down:

http://www.indiancreeksupplies.com/Dyno Run 1.jpg

Pretty bad graph, but the AF was a rock solid 11.7 once I started the run (not ideal, but could be a lot worse), so it wasn't fuel. Last night, I put new copper plugs in. Guess what? ;)

The platinums I was running have the tips coated with platinum that flakes off after about 10K miles (my guess). Switching to copper (1.25 each) fixed the problem. Now the car screams all the way to 7 grand. :twisted:

So when is that next dyno day?

12-15-2003, 09:14 AM

platinum plugs = bad!

They are NOT performance plugs.

Tony

Greg Kulbick

12-15-2003, 09:15 AM

There's a lot of people that are going to want to dyno again pretty soon.

fatkid

12-15-2003, 09:18 AM

Yeah now that i have my car i wanna DYNO just to see what she puts down stock. Then the mods are gonna come. But for now i need to work on savin money.

TruBluLightning

12-15-2003, 09:35 AM

Next time I will have to try to go.. I've been curious what kind of numbers the old L is laying down. Also need to check that A/F. Looks like fun.

Greg Kulbick

12-15-2003, 09:36 AM

Where's the videos?

12-15-2003, 10:01 AM

They are still on the camcorder. When I get time, I'll convert them.

Tony

Greg Kulbick

12-15-2003, 10:14 AM

Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy. He's got videos, yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

DustnF

12-15-2003, 12:05 PM

I have videos of most of the pulls but not all. I can post them up later tonight if you want.

93zm6tally

12-15-2003, 12:15 PM

Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy. He's got videos, yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

Please no more SpecialEd type posts. One asshat is enough!

12-15-2003, 12:20 PM

Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy. He's got videos, yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

Please no more SpecialEd type posts. One asshat is enough!

w3rd.

Greg Kulbick

12-15-2003, 12:22 PM

Eat it. Don't tell me you guys are too old for that show....

12-15-2003, 12:33 PM

I have videos of most of the pulls but not all. I can post them up later tonight if you want.

Go for it!

Tony

93zm6tally

12-15-2003, 01:33 PM

Yaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy. He's got videos, yaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

Please no more SpecialEd type posts. One asshat is enough!

One more time for those that take the short bus. :shrug:

Black01GT

12-15-2003, 03:22 PM

hey guys,
we recently changed the tune on my chip to add like a degree of timing and lean it just a little bit...
so my old dyno numbers were 424 rwhp and like 393 rwtq, and now
442 rwhp and 396 rwtq. id like to see more torque, but the curve did flatten a little and stays about 350 ft lb above4K all the way to 6500 which is where we pull the car to. :qball:

redmach1

12-15-2003, 05:11 PM

01COBRA

12-15-2003, 07:09 PM

436 rwhp and 372 rwtq

an i was running really rich like off the chart rich

Bryan02TA

12-15-2003, 07:59 PM

an i was running really rich like off the chart rich

i feel ya man

12-16-2003, 08:20 AM

JD, good to hear you got the miss straight. Your car was making some good power until it started breaking up. I am ready for another dyno day also. Like a dumbass, I did my runs with the factory airbox and snorkle in place, and I would like to try another degree on the timing adjuster.

Thanks. Yeah, I was really glad to find that the problem was so simple, but I feel stupid that I didn't try such a cheap fix sooner. Coulda woulda shoulda had a better run. :roll:

I will be ready come January. 8)