Shooting on North Monroe at Auto Xperts

[Jasonzo6]

WCTV.TV (http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/105778933.html)

A man is taken to the hospital after a shooting at a local car repair shop.

LCSO and Tallahassee Police are still here at the scene at 3846 North Monroe.

A man was taken away in an ambulance. Witnesses say around 10:20 this morning (Oct. 26), a suspect entered the Auto Xperts store with a gun. They say he tried to shoot one of the employees and that's when several other employees wrestled him to the ground and there was a struggle. Employees say the man taken away in the ambulance was the suspect who was injured in the fight.

At this point, authorities are not releasing any other information.

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[Sandy H.]

Guess he took a gun to a fist fight. AND LOST! ROFL!

[SteedaRR]

cue the Bonnie Tyler: i need a hero.........

What a JAM

[bk_cauley]

cue the Bonnie Tyler: i need a hero.........

What a JAM

yes it is.

[brandboZ28]

I saw this but didnt know what was going on. Thats crazy. One of Bryans neighbors that has a pretty nice Mustang works up there.

[Tally TransAm]

one of my old managers works there, gonna see if i can call him tomorrow and see what had happened

[willjs7]

I saw this but didnt know what was going on. Thats crazy. One of Bryans neighbors that has a pretty nice Mustang works up there.


If I told you the argument was about the mustang you wouldnt believe me. Guy was beaten very bloody for pulling that gun.

[BlackBetty]

So, I guess this pretty much answers the question about what happens when you draw iron and are too yellow to skin it?

-A famous Wyatt Earp line was "well, if your gonna draw that iron ain't you man enough to skin it, curd? (coward)"

Just because I know a few will ask...

Props to that crew up there, the news said as many as five shots were fired during the gunman's ass whooping? Outstanding job guys!

[SteedaRR]

I saw this but didnt know what was going on. Thats crazy. One of Bryans neighbors that has a pretty nice Mustang works up there.

the 4 inch cowl hood and exhaust.... lol

[SATAN]

one of my old managers works there, gonna see if i can call him tomorrow and see what had happened

I got that shit beat, my fiancee's ex-husband's current wife's ex-husband works there. True story. BTW, which manager?

[Tally TransAm]

i had to read that three times before it made any sense


Lane works there

[Greg Kulbick]

i had to read that three times before it made any sense


Lane works there
I gave up once I saw current follow ex.

[BlackBetty]

Did you see that booking picture this morning? Those boys laid the wood to him!

[Jasonzo6]

http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20101027&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=10270325&Ref=AR&Profile=1010&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

Bloodstains nearly covered the socks of Chris Hackney, owner of Auto Xperts at 3846 North Monroe Street, after he wrestled with a man who threatened a service center employee Tuesday.

The man, Michael Crockett, was charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after he interjected himself into an argument between his girlfriend, Shanda Culp, and employee Josh Gamble, Leon County Sheriff spokesman Sgt. James McQuaig said by news release. Gamble used to date Culp. Culp and Gamble argued over a car they purchased together. After Culp was told to leave by Hackney, Crockett pulled a handgun on Gamble. Gamble said Crockett asked for the car. Another employee came behind Crockett. He, Hackney and Gamble ultimately wrestled Crockett to the ground, Hackney said. During the scuffle, Crockett fired between six to eight shots, Gamble and Hackney said.

"Nothing's worth shooting somebody over," Robin Metcalf, an employee of Auto Xperts, said.

No one was injured, McQuaig said. But Gamble had two gunshots go through his pants. The bullet grazed his leg. Another employee found a bullet hole in one of his shoes.

"I guess the Lord was watching over me today," Gamble said.

Hackney said the blood on his socks belonged to Crockett. Hackney was icing his swollen knuckle after the altercation.

"We held him down until the police got here," Hackney said.

Crockett was transported to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital. He was released and arrested on charges in connection with the shooting, and was booked in the Leon County Jail.

[GoatFiddyone]

Oh damn!!! Those guys are pretty lucky they didn't get hurt with bullets flying all over the place. I bet that guy feels like an idiot explaining what happened to his new jail friends!!

[Raptor05121]

hahahaah what a fucking retard

[gsdave]

Sounds like someone got what they deserved.

[scooby]

Yes they did he should have stay out of it. What men will do for a woman.

[aparker813]

lol at the picture and then the employee statement "we held him down until the police got here"

[SteedaRR]

Justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

This guy is/was a corrections officer too. Hope he likes ass rape over and over.

[scooby]

Was would be the correct term now lol

[Sandy H.]

It's tragic how a young man can make a stupid choice like this and throw his whole life away. With the 10-20-life law this can easily escalate to an attempted murder charge and life in prison. In actuality that is exactly what should happen to him for the protection of others.

[BlackBetty]

Hell, it's 10 on just the aggrevated assualt with a gun under 10, 20, life. That's as good as it gets for him on this one...as he discharged the gun during the scuffle it easily could end up with the Attempted Murder charge and minimum 20 years without parole.

[Benjamin]

I got that shit beat, my fiancee's ex-husband's current wife's ex-husband works there. True story. BTW, which manager?

once you get married will that make him your Ex-Husband-In-Law?

[RBPOWER]

thay beat the brakes off that fucker... and no that is not my truck in the backgound.

[willjs7]

Looks like he is out on bond
http://lcso.leonfl.org/jailinfo/inmate_detail.asp?spn=214868

Auto Xperts is one of our biggest accounts, I am glad noone was seriously hurt.

[Benjamin]

i don't know what they were thinking with the "without intent to kill" he fired the gun multiple times.... what was he doing then? giving them warning shots letting them all know he had a gun but wasn't going to kill them?

i mean it isn't like he took the gun out, unloaded it, made sure it was completely safe for someone to handle to show it off and let everyone look at it and admire it's beauty.......

anyway too bad he didn't accidentally discharge in his skull..... would have solved more than one problem.....

[BlackBetty]

i don't know what they were thinking with the "without intent to kill" he fired the gun multiple times.... what was he doing then? giving them warning shots letting them all know he had a gun but wasn't going to kill them?

i mean it isn't like he took the gun out, unloaded it, made sure it was completely safe for someone to handle to show it off and let everyone look at it and admire it's beauty.......

anyway too bad he didn't accidentally discharge in his skull..... would have solved more than one problem.....

Not a lawyer, don't play one on TV...but, I think big Willie and the Grand Jury have to up the charges from here?

[Sandy H.]

Sounds like a "take care of our own" deal going down to me. Nobody in their right mind could figure someone walking from the parking lot with a loaded gun, pointing it at someone, and discharging it, is anything other than attempted first degree murder.

If I were the victims involved I would be worried about retaliation and be on the doorstep of the Attorney General's office this morning.

[SS2win]

Talk about fucked up!!!

It might have been that while he lay on the ground, reflexes pulled the trigger each time a fist made contact.

Pulling a gun during an altercation and having it go off for any reason should carry an attempted manslaughter charge.

[BlackBetty]

Is Attorney Jeff still with us? He may know the answer...

[GoatFiddyone]

Talk about fucked up!!!

It might have been that while he lay on the ground, reflexes pulled the trigger each time a fist made contact.

Pulling a gun during an altercation and having it go off for any reason should carry an attempted manslaughter charge.


Isn't manslaughter when the outcome of death is not intended? If that is the case, I don't think you could charge someone with the attempt to cause death without the intention. When I first read this I was shocked there was no attempted murder charges.

If you walk into a place and pull a gun, there is only one reason it was pulled. I would think it doesn't matter how it went off but that it actually did go off and hit 2 people while in the suspects hands. That sounds like attempted murder to me. He's the aggressor who decided to bring the gun in. Nobody made him bring it in and defend himself.

[68stang289]

Just firing a gun doesn't give you the malice aforethought (premeditation) to actually kill someone. It's a very thin line to walk, but you need to show that when he discharged the gun that he intended to kill someone. My guess is that, because it sounds like the gun went off during the scuffle, that the SA (State's Attorney) doesn't think they have enough to prove the element of intent to kill (and I would agree). If this guy told the cops "I just pulled the gun to scare X into giving Y the keys and I never intended to use it", then the SA will have an even more difficult time to showing he formed the requisite malice to trigger the "with intent to kill" language of the statute. He still gets popped with the 10-20-life thing. Florida considers aggravated assault as a violent crime, thus triggering the 10-20-life law when used in conjunction with a gun. Since he pulled the gun and fired it in the commission of a violent felony, if found guilty, he faces a bare minimum of 20 years. Plus the embarrassment of having his ass beat that badly.

As far as the grand jury goes, they are only involved in capital crimes (generally felony murder). The grand jury meets, can compel people to testify (those who testify have a right to have their own counsel for the hearing), hears as much evidence as is available, and then decide whether there is enough evidence present for this case to actually go to a trial. If they decide there is, you are then indicted on the charges.

[68stang289]

Isn't manslaughter when the outcome of death is not intended? If that is the case, I don't think you could charge someone with the attempt to cause death without the intention. When I first read this I was shocked there was no attempted murder charges.

If you walk into a place and pull a gun, there is only one reason it was pulled. I would think it doesn't matter how it went off but that it actually did go off and hit 2 people while in the suspects hands. That sounds like attempted murder to me. He's the aggressor who decided to bring the gun in. Nobody made him bring it in and defend himself.

Yes and no. There are 2 types of manslaughter. You have involuntary manslaughter which means the killing happened without malice aforethought (intent to kill). Then there is voluntary manslaughter which is where you intended to kill or seriously harm the person, but there are mitigating factors (heat of passion).

The important thing is that there was no death involved here. Since there was no death (or serious injury other than to himself after having the crap beat out of him) involved you don't get manslaughter.

While you may think there is only one reason to pull a gun, the ASA's have to prove your intent when you pulled that gun or that you formed the intent to kill or harm someone even the second before you pulled the trigger.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

My limited knowledge of law says that he should receive life under the 10/20/Life law. 10 years for pulling a gun, 20 years if the gun is discharged during a felony and life if anyone was hurt (IE man shot in the leg even though it was just a graze). I understand that is strict interpretation of the law and I am sure there are loop holes.

[scooby]

There are lots of them. The biggest thing is proving he went there to kill. If you cant prove that attempted murder is hard to stick on someone.

[brandboZ28]

He is gonna end up with some jail time which means that loser is gonna be living off of all of our dollars. I hate it. Bring on the death penalty...

[madderhatter]

Was would be the correct term now lol

Corrected Officer ?

[GoatFiddyone]

If a gun is discharged and and it hits somebody while a felony is being committed, wouldn't that constitute attempted murder? It doesn't matter how it went off, what matters is he discharged a weapon and 2 people were struck while a felony was being committed.

[scooby]

The guy is and now was a correction officer

[Mach-1-stang]

Where was he a corrections officer?

[Sandy H.]

Where was he a corrections officer?

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Shooting_on_North_Monroe_105778933.html


Word spread fast that Crockett was a correctional officer at the Calhoun Correctional Institute and now a spokesperson from the Florida Department of Corrections says they're acting a swiftly as possible to atone for his actions.

One of the people commenting, claims he was threatened with a shovel before brandishing his weapon. If that is the case or they can't prove otherwise it changes the whole story.

WCTV dropped the link to the story off the front page yesterday, just two days after the incident.

We can all speculate it to death but the only people that really know what happened were at the scene.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I know Chris Hackney. I was at a meeting with him Thursday night. He told me the whole story. The gun was pulled first then one of the techs came up from behind and grabbed the dude. The shovel came into play later.

[Bryan02TA]

I talked to Josh, the guy with the silver mustang who's ex-girlfriend it was. The dude is out on bail. I can't believe that crap. I told Josh to watch his back since that guy probably has nothing to lose now. He said the guy had to get like 40 stitches in his head and he showed me a picture of his face, pretty beat up.
About a month ago Josh had his tires cut on his car, it was definitely either his crazy ex or his crazy ex's boyfriend, they've got problems.

[68stang289]

If a gun is discharged and and it hits somebody while a felony is being committed, wouldn't that constitute attempted murder? It doesn't matter how it went off, what matters is he discharged a weapon and 2 people were struck while a felony was being committed.

No. You need to have malice aforethought. It needs to be deliberate and premeditated. If the State's Attorney cannot prove he deliberately and intentionally shot the gun at people, then they're not going to charge him with attempted murder because they can't satisfy that element of murder to the jury. The SA's would have to show that he had the mens rea (state of mind) to commit murder. In Florida, you need more than just preparation for the crime. If he's fighting on the ground with someone, he's wrestling for control of the weapon, not to shoot someone (regardless of the fact that it is plausible that someone could be harmed). Now if those 2 people who got shot sue him civilly, then it doesn't matter, he's negligent and will be paying.

It might not matter to you how it went off, but it matters when it comes to what you can prove to a jury in a court of law.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I understand what you are saying, but in my mind as soon as he pulled the gun that was pre meditated. I know carrying the weapon is not illegal (with proper paperwork etc), but pulling it the way he did is illegal and pre meditated. IF he had it in a holster, kinda like others on here carry, then it might be impulse that he pulled it. IMO if there is not even a holster then he brought the gun to pull it. I know alot will argue with this logic, but in my mind thats how I see it.

[GoatFiddyone]

I understand what you are saying, but in my mind as soon as he pulled the gun that was pre meditated. I know carrying the weapon is not illegal (with proper paperwork etc), but pulling it the way he did is illegal and pre meditated. IF he had it in a holster, kinda like others on here carry, then it might be impulse that he pulled it. IMO if there is not even a holster then he brought the gun to pull it. I know alot will argue with this logic, but in my mind thats how I see it.


I agree!

[Benjamin]

the only time a gun should be pulled is if you feel your life or your family's lives are threatened and you need to eliminate that threat. if that was not the case then he pulled it to "murder" "intimidate" "threaten" etc. which is NOT valid use of a firearm IMHO

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

the only time a gun should be pulled is if you feel your life or your family's lives are threatened and you need to eliminate that threat. if that was not the case then he pulled it to "murder" "intimidate" "threaten" etc. which is NOT valid use of a firearm IMHO

I could not agree more.

[GoatFiddyone]

the only time a gun should be pulled is if you feel your life or your family's lives are threatened and you need to eliminate that threat. if that was not the case then he pulled it to "murder" "intimidate" "threaten" etc. which is NOT valid use of a firearm IMHO

That's what I was going for. Apparently our judicial system is shit and always finds a way to protect the criminal.

[Benjamin]

remember he is innocent until "PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW" ...... just like that guy that shot and killed all those soldiers in TX, he is innocent until proven guilty.......