Seminole Raceway

[Gt]

I talked with Charles Wimberly today of Triangle Engerning. He said the Appeal cause against the track is Dec 11th at the courthouse. And is scheduled for 3 days! He doesn\'t see where this is really gonna be a problem. They are tryin to say the track isn\'t zoned correctly. Yet, you can pull up the track property on Leon County Tax collector and it shows Zoned as a Race Track. So they don\'t really have a leg to stand on.

It will be an 1/8 mile track to start with. With the possiblity of going back 1/4 in the future.

So, anyone for the track should go to the Court house on Dec 11th and show support for the track.

[Eric88]

When you say \"they\" are appealing, \"they\" don\'t have a leg to stand on, who are you referring to out of curiousity? Just people that live near the track that don\'t want it or what?

[Gt]

Ya, some people that live in Whispering Pines trailer park are trying to stop it from re-opening. 5 total people. 2 of which live close to the track. The other 3 live 1/2 mile or more from the track.

Tony

[Tally TransAm]

ill try to be there

so the idea of it starting out as a quarter is outta the question huh

not like we dont have enough 1/8\'s around here

i guess its a start though

ryan

[Gt]

Nope, will be 1/8 to start. Which is FINE with me. Bottom line is, its a TRACK and its LOCAL. No driving 90 miles to a track anymore!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Tony Whetstone

[T]

Can we get the addresses to these 5 people? I think we can twist their a little ;)

[Signal 12]

Awesome, I\'ll try to be at the courtdate.

Mike

[D-Man]

Hey I\'ll be there
I\'ll try and bring my girlfriend so she can translate some shiz and we can argue some more. T bring the cat poo so we can throw it on those people.
:lol:

Late
D

[Ahmad]

someone reminds me a day b4 and I\'ll be there

[shock6791]

I will try and be there. My last exam isn't until friday, so I will be here til then.

[shock6791]

So, what happened with the case? I had finals, so I couldn't show up...

[Gt]

I ended up not being able to get off work :( and haven't heard anything yet.

Tony

[shock6791]

Well, if anyone finds anything out, post it here. I really want to know...

[slmdLS1]

anybody heard anything about the track lately??

Brandon

[Gt]

I heard he did win (er the county won) the court case. That the 5 residents started agaisnt the county to try and stop it. But thats all I've heard.

[Tally TransAm]

Originally posted by "Gt"

I heard he did win (er the county won) the court case. That the 5 residents started agaisnt the county to try and stop it. But thats all I've heard.

so is the track gonna open?

[brandboZ28]

Originally posted by "Tally TransAm"

so is the track gonna open?

[Gt]

Suppose to, when I dunno. I havn't had time to call Charles and ask him. If anyone wants to call for details, call 850-838-1224. His daugther usally answers the phone. (btw, thats Triangle Eng. his company). Just ask her for details.

[shock6791]

If anyone finds out about it, post the info up here 8)

[brandboZ28]

I just talked to her and she said that they got approved to open the track but now 11 people have appealed it. So, now they have to go to appeals court and all that crap. She told me to try back in 2 weeks and they should know if it is a go or not.

Bo

[shock6791]

people bitch too much. They don't want us racing on the street, but they won't let someone open up a track either...morons :roll:

[Greg Kulbick]

Anyone hear anything new?

[D]

He won the court case, and now has to start getting permits

[shock6791]

huh?

[SteedaRR]

sweeT

[shock6791]

nice, its about damn time. People should just stop their bitching...

[thor]

so when do u think we will get a date ?
im jonesing to run
gonna have to swap my gears to 456
atleast

[Greg Kulbick]

It's in the paper this morning. :evil: That whore is appealing the case against the track again. Her words: "Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it" "if it reopens, it will lead to unbearable noise, traffic jams, pollution, drunkeness and other problems". I say we start racing on this bitch's street.

If she won't let us take it to the track, we'll take it to her house.

She's in the phone book. 1257 Cornerstone Ln. 32310 The street right next to hers is nice and straight. :twisted:

[brandboZ28]

Originally posted by "FL Zinc"

If she won't let us take it to the track, we'll take it to her house.

Good idea. Lets go!

[slmdLS1]

Originally posted by "FL Zinc"

It's in the paper this morning. :evil: That whore is appealing the case against the track again. Her words: "Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it" "if it reopens, it will lead to unbearable noise, traffic jams, pollution, drunkeness and other problems". I say we start racing on this bitch's street.

If she won't let us take it to the track, we'll take it to her house.

She's in the phone book. 1257 Cornerstone Ln. 32310 The street right next to hers is nice and straight. :twisted:

i say ryan does a few WOT passes by her house. im game in my truck, but im not as loud as ryan...but im close[/siz]

Brandon

[Bryan02TA]

What a bitch, i say we take her out to the woods and beat the fuck out of her, then throw her in the ocean...whore!!!

[brandboZ28]

EDIT-Too incriminating :twisted:

[Bryan02TA]

:wink:

[SteedaRR]

o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o big eyed fish DMB


EDIT: DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN! I am on dial up tonight and that SUCKED. Tony!

[slmdLS1]

no more smileywhoring steeda, that almost froze my pc... :roll:

[Kinson Cook, Jr]

Hi all, I just found this site from Tony Whetstone's post on the FFW site. Hope they open the track one day. I have heard it was going to open for the last six years.

[Gt]

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/2003/04/11/news/local/5607108.htm

Article that was in the paper Friday about it.


for the lazy people that don't want to click the link...


Track stalled by new appeal
Legal battle over Seminole Raceway revving up again
By Jeff Burlew
DEMOCRAT STAFF WRITER

It's quiet at the old drag strip off State Road 20 in western Leon County.

Weeds poke through cracks in the weathered pavement, which stretches nearly half a mile into the horizon. Off in the distance, deer cautiously cross the tree-lined roadway.

It may seem abandoned, but the controversial Seminole Raceway, located next to residential areas about five miles west of Capital Circle, soon may roar back to life.

The owners of the racetrack, Charles and Linda Wimberly, won a legal victory last month to reopen the raceway, but a nearby resident, Becky Subrahmanyam, has appealed the court decision.

Charles Wimberly, a racing enthusiast who manufactures fuel cells and other racing products in Perry, is planning on spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to breathe new life into the drag strip, which would be open Friday and Saturday nights and some holidays during warmer months.

He said there is great demand to reopen the drag strip, which could seat more than 1,000 spectators, because local racers have to drive to tracks in Georgia, Alabama and the western Panhandle or take to local roads to compete.

"The public wants it," Wimberly said. "And there's definitely enough race cars in the Tallahassee/Leon County area that would support the track. It's just good, clean family entertainment."

Subrahmanyam, a homemaker who is waging a one-woman war against the racetrack, said that if it reopens, it will lead to unbearable noise, traffic jams, pollution, drunkenness and other problems. Subrahmanyam, who lives about a quarter of a mile away with her extended family, has bad memories of the racetrack when it operated in the late 1970s and early 1980s.

"It was horrible," she said, referring to engine noise and the loud voices of announcers blaring through speakers. "Basically, we'll be prisoners in our own home for the days and nights that it's operating."

Raceway dates back to mid-'60s

Seminole Raceway opened in the mid-1960s and closed later that decade after an accident claimed the life of a spectator, J.D. Shores, whose daughter and son-in-law ran the track. It reopened in the late 1970s and closed again in 1982.

Subrahmanyam said the fatal accident underscores dangers that could come along with the track's reopening. But Frankie Barnes, a great-nephew of Shores, called the death a "freak accident" and said dangers have been minimized because of better cars and safety equipment.

Wimberly said the racetrack will be sanctioned by the National Hot Rod Association, and that law enforcement officers and emergency medical personnel will be on hand when the track is open. "It will be safe for the racers and the spectators," he said.

Wimberly applied to Leon County to reopen the track in September 2000. The county's development review committee granted approval for the project last July.

However, a group of people who live near the track, including Subrahmanyam, filed a petition against the project, which led to a hearing last December at the Florida Division of Administrative Hearings.

The petitioners argued the racetrack violated the Comp Plan, a city and county blueprint for growth, and was not permissible under county law. They also argued the drag strip is a commercial sports facility designed for spectators rather than an active recreation area such as a tennis court or football field - and was therefore not allowed under zoning laws.

The Wimberlys argued the drag strip is an active recreation area and that traffic and noise issues had been properly addressed in the development plan. He also said alcohol would not be sold. Last month, Administrative Law Judge Florence Rivas agreed with Wimberly and ruled against Subrahmanyam and her fellow petitioners.

But Subrahmanyam, who is now acting as her own attorney, appealed the decision last week in Leon Circuit Court.

"Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it," she said.

On Tuesday, Subrahmanyam appeared before the Leon County Commission to explain why she was appealing the court decision. Commissioners responded by voting not to pursue attorneys fees against her if she loses her appeal.

For his part, Wimberly hopes to reopen the track as early as this fall. That's good news for Barnes, who races a 1967 Camaro, and other speedsters who go out of town to compete.

Said Barnes: "We're very much looking forward to it."



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Contact reporter Jeff Burlew at (850) 599-2180 or jburlew@tallahassee.com.

[brandboZ28]

Originally posted by "Gt"

Said Barnes: "We're very much looking forward to it.

Me too!

[17TH SVT]

"Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it," she said.

ill fight her! :evil:

[slmdLS1]

Originally posted by "florida-five-0"

"Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it," she said.

ill fight her! :evil:

So they will continue/start building it til she stops em right?

[brandboZ28]

Originally posted by "florida-five-0"

"Until the court shuts me down, I'll fight it," she said.

ill fight her! :evil:

I got your back! :lol:

[Tally TransAm]

fucking cunt

[Greg Kulbick]

I told you guys, the street right next to hers is reeeeeeaaaaaal straight. If she doesn't want us taking the racing to a track, we'll move it to her neighborhood.

[Gt]

Ah, this lady isn't one of the ones that lives in trailer park. She has 4.5 acres 1/4 mile past the track on the OTHER side of the hwy.


http://dta.co.leon.fl.us/tax/GIS.ASP?ACCOUNT=2232200090000

They bought that place in 1977. So, the track was open when they bought it. So they KNEW what the heck they were buying. A place by a RACE track.

Tony

[Slow ET]

Private Investigator Tony ladys and gentlemen. Thats a great point to bring up during the appeal.

[Gt]

Ok, a little more research has turned up, this bitch has started a web site about the track http://www.noraceway.org/ .

What is saving the track from most of the BS she has on that web page. Is that the track is still zoned as a track and been paid on the tax roll as a track. Even tho cars weren't going down it. It technically never closed. So its granfathered in past new rules and regs.

Sigh, she needs to get a clue.

Tony

[Greg Kulbick]

Unfortunately, I can't send out emails like the one I want to send from a state email address. I'd like to simply put: "You bought a house next to a race track, deal with it." Oh no, the same polutants that runoff of every single road in the world will run off the track too. Someone go punch her in the mouth. Ryan, you beat up little kids, how about old women too?

[Tally TransAm]

damn that shit makes me sick

that fucking bitch is so selfish

ugh, im not gonna get started

[Bryan02TA]

she just got a little e-mail from me, i hope the bitch reads it!!!

[Gt]

Domain: noraceway.org

Registrant (BS928-IYD-REG)
Becky Subrahmanyam
Becky Subrahmanyam
beckydee@tapple.org
1263 Cornerstone Lane
Tallahassee, FL 32310 US
+1.1115756051


She doesn't have her real e-mail on the website :) But you just have to know where to look.

Tony

[Tally TransAm]

HAHAHAHAHAH

thanks man

[Signal 12]

I just emailed this letter to her:


Becky Subrahmanyam:

Hello, my name is Michael Bresette, I'm a local resident of Tallahassee and a drag racing enthusiast. I'm emailing you concerning your appeal to opening Seminole Raceway. Your crusade to stop the track from opening is ridiculous; you purchased your house in 1977 when the track was open. Obviously you were well aware you bought a home near a racetrack. Also, if noise pollution is such a problem for you, why did you buy a home next to a highway? On top of this, a highway separates your home from the track providing a buffer from the 'noise', what is the deal?

Miss Subrahmanyam, if your intentions were to fulfill your life with negative attention you have succeeded. Your actions are only delaying the inevitable truth that the track will open. Good day and find a hobby.

Michael Bresette

[17TH SVT]

thats awesome!!! lol

[brandboZ28]

:bowdown:
You are the man!

[shock6791]

That stupid bitch. She si the same person that would call the police for us racing on the street. She needs to get a life and a clue and just let it open. I want to go over there and punch her in the mouth and knock some sense into her. :roll: She has nothing better to do than bitch about the raceway. Her husband will probably be over there watching the races :lol:

[Tally TransAm]

their response to my email


First of all, Becky is not alone in her opposition to the
raceway.
Many of us are very concerned about the noise, the traffic, the
litter,
and the potential for drunken behavior and /or driving. Even Larry
Campbell has expressed concern about the additional impact on his
resources should the track be built because there were constant
problems
and complaints when the track was open before.

The environmental concerns are real. The problem is that a
complete environmental review was not done in the permitting process.
When the track was originally built there were no environmental laws,
but
things have changed to better protect our drinking water, air and
soil.
There is a lime sink on the property in close proximity to the
raceway -
lime sinks drain directly into the Floridan Aquifer which is the
source
of everyone's drinking water - including yours. As we all know, cars
put
off a lot of oil and gas, and where do you think that goes when it
rains?
At the raceway it would go right into the lime sink and then into the
aquifer.

I realize that racing is a popular sport, but a raceway should
not be built at the expense of people who have been living in peace
and
quiet for all these years. If you are so in favor of having a place
to
race, why don't you build a track in YOUR neighborhood? If you think
all
of your neighbors would be pleased with that, maybe you could join
together in financing such an effort.

Street racing - on the public roads - is illegal. If people
are
getting injured doing it, they should obey the law and stop it. They
should obey the law, period. There could probably be a track
somewhere
around here, but not in someone's backyard - unless, of course, you
are
willing to donate yours!

[Greg Kulbick]

WTF!!!!! Fuck them. They shouldn't have built there houses next to a fucking racetrack. You don't like people racing on the street and hope a local track will open?!?!??! Fuck you and let it open you dumb cocks! Send that to them, courtesy of me.

[Signal 12]

Hell, it's my fucking dream to have a dragstrip in my backyard!

Also, the oil concerns are bs. All of us know you can't race if you're leaking oil.

Mike

[Signal 12]

Here's my email's response:


Hello Mike-
My parents live 2 miles from the racetrack in Albany.
Many streets, trees, houses, misc buildings, etc are between the track
and my parents' home, but you can hear the track, and it is loud
outside - even 2 miles away. Inside you can hear it with the windows
closed and the air conditioning on. If you want your windows open on a
nice cool evening, it is out of the question, unless you are deaf.

Anyone living closer than 2 miles would really have a problem if they
like peace and quiet.

I would suggest that if you think the raceway is such a good idea, that
you petition your neighbors to let you build one in your neighborhood, and
see how far you get.

So weak. She addressed only one piece of my point and did a piss poor job. WTF is up with their families living by racetracks??? Do they want to close them all down? Assholes.

Mike

[Signal 12]

My reply to her email:


Becky Subrahmanyam:

First of all, my name is Michael and not Mike. Secondly, your response is weak. You addressed only one point of mine (highway is a buffer) and left the others at bay. The facts are clear: you made the mistake of moving next to a track. Why should racers pay the price? I find it insulting for you to challenge me to petition my neighbors; I live in an apartment complex in the heart of Tallahassee and not in a rural area. No matter, it's obvious you will continue to fight, so fight on. You will lose.

Michael Bresette

[Bryan02TA]

man, you should be a lawyer man, you definitely make some good points. You are the man!!!
I need to check my mail!

[pendrgn]

the drinking water was funny, I drink bottled water for a reason... like, where do they think all the other street run off goes?

I am betting other sink holes...

[jlaw]

Mike, nice letter, you made good points. She's fucked... she's acting as her own attorney and has no clue what she's doing.

The fact that she moved there after it was a track doesn't necessarily preclude a judgment in her favor, but it damn sure makes it tougher for her to win. I think she's only delaying the inevitable.

[Signal 12]

Thanks for the props guys. I can't wait for the track to open so we can all rev and raise hell. Heh, she'll blow her top.

Mike

[Signal 12]

Here's the newest reply from her:


Dear Mr. Smith and Mr. Bresette,

I haven't written a response to your emails yet. I will write a more detailed
one as
soon as I gather all of the accurate facts concerning the previous periods of
the
track's operation. In the meantime, if you are interested in our position and
the
reasons for it, you can check out the following web site:
http://www.noraceway.com

It is true that I have filed an appeal by myself, but it is not true that I am
the
only neighbor concerned about the track. I had to file the appeal by myself
because
I am representing myself in court without a lawyer, and because I am not a
lawyer, I
am not allowed to represent anyone else. There are at least 40 families that
are
concerned about the development of the Seminole Raceway Project and that support
our
fight every way that they can. Many of them are elderly and/ or have fixed or
limited incomes, so my family has borne the bulk of the financial burden. Some
of
them live as close as 400 ft from the track and have had their houses completely
rattled apart in the past when the track was in operation.

When we moved here in 1977 the racetrack was abandoned and we were told by our
realtor
and others that the track would not be allowed top reopen. In fact, during that
time,
the relevant comp plan and Land Development Regulations stated that a racetrack
could
not exist nearer than 1000 ft from a residence. The nearest residence was then
and is
now 400 ft. from the track. I am trying to find the exact date or at least the
year
when it reopened. It was sometime after we moved here, probably sometime around
1979. Whispering pines also developed during this time when the dragstrip was
abandoned, and the reopening of the track caused a whole street full of
residences to
have to just abandon their homes because they could not sell them and they could
not
bear to live there with the noise and vibration of the track in operation.

I have no problem with racing, per se, or with anyone pursuing that as a hobby
or
sport, but it isn't appropriate near residences. I believe that people's lives
and
their investment in their homes should take precedent over other people's
recreational
pleasure. You and the other racing fans with like views are defending your
right to
have fun and recreation while we are defending our right to exist in peace.
Fortunately, the goals of the Leon County Comprehensive Plan agree with our
position.

It interesting that you consider our position of defending our lives and
families as
selfish. That position bears rethinking.

I do intend to fight the project any way I can as long as I can, just as you
would
defend yourself and your family from something that you thought was harmful to
them.
Now that I am acting on my own behalf in court, I do not have to worry about
expenses
and I will fight the Project as long as I am allowed through every level of
appeal
that I am allowed by the court to enter.

For me this is a mission and a calling and for the moment it is my life. I
could not
live with myself if I did not do everything that I could do to defend my family
and my
neighborhood.

Sincerely,

Becky Subrahmanyam


I almost feel sorry for her. Almost. She shouldn't be appealing the track in court, she should be sueing the living shit out of her real estate agency.

Mike

[Bryan02TA]

i thought the track was open and running in 77? she has a good poing but geez, the elderly need to get in a retirement home soon anyways, this is all the reason to get the hell out!! I'm with Greg, let's race next to her house!!

[Tally TransAm]

I felt compelled to respond to your e-mail to Mrs. Subramanyam. Your verbal assault on her was completely unwarranted and insensitive. First of all you should know that she is not alone in her fight to keep the racetrack closed. There are many in our neighborhood that are opposed to the reopening and are a part of this action. She is merely our voice.

The fact that the “track”(run down, weed covered) was there when she bought her house is quite irrelevant. Lots of people moved in around here after the track closed but who would have thought that they would have reopened something like that in what had become a residential area. We were living here when they built the track and there were few people living near it then. I was one of the few and can tell you first hand what it was like. That is why I am so adamantly against it now. I have no way of knowing how old you are or if you have a home and family. I know from your e-mail that you love your racing but, honestly, would you want a track by your house? The perception seems to be that the residents of Highway 20 don’t warrant the consideration of others in the county when it comes to certain issues. I feel that we are viewed by you and your racing friends as mean-spirited people that have only one motive with our actions and that is to stop you from enjoying your hobby. Nothing could be further from the truth. Noise, increased traffic problems and decreased property values are concerns as well as the environmental issues. This is a very laborious process and one that is not particularly enjoyable. My husband and I have a lovely home that we have worked very hard for and the sanctity and tranquility of that home is very important to us. We would never jeopardize the sanctity of your home merely for the few hours of pleasure we would get from a hobby. I respectfully ask you to put yourself in our position and afford us the same courtesy. You accused Becky of being selfish and unconcerned for others. It seems to me that there is some selfishness and unconcern on your part as well.

Let me say that I have absolutely nothing against racing. I believe that it can be a healthy family sport. I believe however that there is a proper place for it and a densely populated area like this is not that place. I agree with you that street racing is a problem. I was under the impression from Mr. Wimberly that this is a different type of racing so I don’t think reopening the track will help this much. But your comments seem to indicate that your solution to this problem is to bring a bunch of people who obviously have no regard for the law into our neighborhood just to get them off the streets. I don’t feel very comfortable with that.

I would like for this issue to be resolved with everybody happy in the end. I know that there must be other property around Tallahassee that would be much more suitable for this type of facility. I wish Mr. Wimberly and all of his racing friends the best of luck in their endeavors but I must , however, continue to pray that we prevail in this issue.

[brandboZ28]

It doenst make any sense to me. They are so stupid. They are like, "why dont you build one somewhere else?". BECAUSE, THERE IS NO REASONE TO HAVE TO BUILD ONE WHEN THERE IS ALREADY ONE BUILT!!! Keep it up guys, Im not going to email her because I get frustrated with this kinda shit and end up saying stuff that might get me in trouble. :roll:

[Bryan02TA]

I think she is copying and pasting the e-mails she is responding with, i got the exact same one!!!
BITCH!!

[shock6791]

Originally posted by "97_Stang"

I think she is copying and pasting the e-mails she is responding with, i got the exact same one!!!
BITCH!!

:roll: She can't even make up a new argument and she is representing herself in court :o

[Greg Kulbick]

There has got to be a limit on how many times you can appeal the same damn thing and lose. Maybe she's going for a record: Most consecutive failed injunctions by a moron. Maybe we should take out an injunction on her to prevent her from putting a stick in the spokes.

[brandboZ28]

I say our next cruise goes through her neighborhood. :twisted:

[pendrgn]

Originally posted by "FL Zinc"

There has got to be a limit on how many times you can appeal the same damn thing and lose. Maybe she's going for a record: Most consecutive failed injunctions by a moron. Maybe we should take out an injunction on her to prevent her from putting a stick in the spokes.

now there is an idea

[Greg Kulbick]

Yeah, I'm wicked smart. :lol:

[Fatass306]

whats the latest on this? im not in FL but i've been following this somewhat.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Actually I was wondering myself where this is going. With all the hours I put in at work I can't go outta town much at all. Where are we at in our fight to get a local track? :?:

[Gt]

On the news last night, they had a short update. Looks like the track might have to get re-approval. Something to do with the parking. Like there isn't enough on the original plan or something (just more BS).

Its still up in the air.......


sigh

[Gt]

From todays paper



Drag strip proposal on hold:

It appears the proposed Seminole Raceway on State Road 20 has hit yet another roadblock. On Tuesday, Leon County Administrator Parwez Alam said he has directed county employees to ask the owners of the business, Charles and Linda Wimberly of Perry, to resubmit their application for review. The request came after Becky Subrahmanyam, who lives near the proposed drag strip, complained about irregularities in the Wimberlys' application. County officials, after an investigation, found a number of design concerns, including a deficiency of 82 parking spaces.

[Signal 12]

That is so weak.

EDIT: Is there any way to contact the owners? I'd be willing to volunteer a day or two to pour contrete to get this shit open. Hell, we could get a club discount if we all showed up in support.

Mike

[redmach1]

I second that thought. I would work my ass off to help make this track come to life again. I have heard too many war stories about that track when they used to run on it long ago. Can't wait to see if they took the dip out of the big end of the track--helped to unload the rear end real nice! I have heard, anyway. :?

[Gt]

Originally posted by "SN95Mike"

That is so weak.

EDIT: Is there any way to contact the owners? I'd be willing to volunteer a day or two to pour contrete to get this shit open. Hell, we could get a club discount if we all showed up in support.

Mike

From page 1


Originally posted by "Gt"

Suppose to, when I dunno. I havn't had time to call Charles and ask him. If anyone wants to call for details, call 850-838-1224. His daugther usally answers the phone. (btw, thats Triangle Eng. his company). Just ask her for details.

Tony

[Greg Kulbick]

Just call on behalf of all of us and offer our services to dig the fricking extra parking spaces and paint lines ourselves.
Fucking design concerns? Its a strip of pavement. Fuck her.

[brandboZ28]

Id be than willing to help out on a weekend or two to get this thing up and running.

Mike, the discount idea is fat but probably wont work. Its worth a try asking though. What we need to do is write up a proposal and see if they will go for it.

[shock6791]

Hey, if they need help to get the track opened up, I'm there 8)

[4.6MBG]

Discount or no discount, I am there :!:

That would be the coolest shit ever. :o

[JD]

I drove out Hwy. 20 last night to see the location in question for myself. Has anyone else SEEN this track? It's got 20 years worth of overgrowth that covers half the width of the track in most places, and the return road is almost completely lost to vegetation.

The zoning and the fact that people look at this location as a dragstrip is the biggest thing going for it right now. The asphalt, the tower, the railing, the return road, and the paddock will need to be completely built- not REBUILT- from the ground up since they are all trash at this point and are going to have to be removed and replaced. The paddock is, well, still THERE, but that just means the trees haven't taken it over. The stands are gone. The track lighting is still there, but the staging tree as well as the entire staging area is going to have to be built from scratch- there's nothing left.

I'm behind this track idea. I'll volunteer my time and labor to work on it to make it a reality. That reality, though, is going to require a significant investment if and when it does get past this County Application quagmire. I think it'd be great for the local area to have a track that people would come to use. Will it be profitable? Who knows. It'd probably fare better as a 1/4 mile track, and there is more than enough room to do that ( I walked it last night- it's plenty long).

I hope that the property owners are as committed to this project as much as the local racers are excited by the prospect of a local track. It's going to take a serious commitment of dollars to see this thing to fruition. I don't think it'll take a lot of time to build. Realistically, it may be a couple of months to get everything done from the time they get the green light from the county until they light the first green light on a Pro Tree.

It's such a great idea. I'm rooting for this thing to go the distance.

[Gt]

I've been down the track in my old Bronco. Its not as bad as it looks really. Cut away the overgrowth, and repave the first 100' in the right lane and u could race.

Tony

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I went to the track 5 years ago and saw it. I agree that it wont take much for us *cough* street racers but as far as NHRA safety it needs alot. I will do whatever I can to help too. Think a petition would help?

[JD]

Originally posted by "Gt"

I've been down the track in my old Bronco. Its not as bad as it looks really. Cut away the overgrowth, and repave the first 100' in the right lane and u could race.

Tony

I beg to differ. The entire facility will require replacement. That asphalt is probably 25 years old by now and once you start making runs on it, it's going to fail.

Sorry to be such a killjoy, but if it's going to succeed, it's going to have to be done so that people will be impressed enough to keep coming back.

[Gt]

Its going to be tottaly redone either way. But it could live as is, if just patched and repaired.

Tony

[JD]

Heck, I'd race on it, too! It'd be a lot of fun. I don't imagine that the big end of an 1/8th mile track has to be totally perfect. However, if they are as serious as it seems that they are, they ought to make it 1/4 mile NHRA legal and really create a stir.

Here's my argument for going for a new first-class facility:

How many other tracks out there get the chance to start from scratch? Most tracks go from po-dunk to mediocre, trying to stay ahead of the degradation of their facilities and only being able to do fix or redo something when they are able to save up enough entrance fees to make a repair. It's such a great opportunity to start fresh and make it a first class track. Not only would the plans make for a better presentation while trying to obtain county approval, but it would convince other racers to drive a little further to Tallahassee rather than to Gainesville.

Put it this way: If I lived in Jacksonville and wanted to race, I'd go to Gainesville, right? OK, so I hear about a new track in Tallahassee. I definitely going to at least check it out. If I get there and the paddock is all dirt, the railings are made out of railroad tracks, and it basically looks like something that's been put together like a set from Gilligan's Island, then the track is really half-assed. Am I going to foresake the digs down in G'ville for this? No, I'm going to go back to Gainesville from then on. However, if it's a seriously great location with paved (if not cement) paddock stalls, new facilities, all new asphalt, nice seating, and drawing folks from all over the panhandle for NHRA race weekends, I'm looking at a new option.

Are people going to come from Orlando to race here? If the facility is no better than the one in G'ville, they're only going to make the run to Tally if there isn't something better going on in G'ville. If it's only a mediocre 1/8th mile track, the folks up in GA are still going to keep going to their regular tracks, and the guys in Panama City are going to keep going to Powerhouse.

My point is you either have to have a great 1/8th mile facility to get people to drive a little further than their regular track, or else you have to go full-tilt and build a track that will compete with G'ville. I haven't seen any evidence (in the papers, at least) that the Triangle folks are interested in competing with G'ville on race weekends. Therefore, it only makes sense to build something that is better than all of the other 1/8th mile tracks in the region. To get fans here, to get the faster racers to drive a little further, to be more than competitive for the dollars the fans and racers are willing to pay is the way to build something that will really last.

It would be a great shame for such a great idea to go halfway, only to become a drain on the owner's pockets, bringing them to realize that their investment, although fun while it lasts, isn't going to pay off or even be able to stay in the black ink.

At that point, we're back to '82 all over again and twenty years down the road, it looks just like it does now. :cry:

EDIT: With this entire thing still being on paper, I realize that the Triangle group's resources may be limited and that making a full-tilt 1/4 mile track or creating a new standard in 1/8th tracks might just be beyond the realm of possibility at this point. If that's the case, then a nice place to go for the weekend to enjoy having something local for once is a really great alternative to what we have now- nothing local and shelling out for mileage and fuel costs to get to Silver Dollar. Do I still think it's a fun idea that would be great to build and fun to run on? Absolutely. I look forward to the possibilities. :)

[redmach1]

Is that track not grandfathered in since it has been there so long? Why doesn't the owner just tell everybody to take a flying fuck and open it anyway. Fight the legal battles when they come and let us race until then.

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

To coin a phrase "If you build it they will come"

[shock6791]

I agree wholeheartedly with JD, they really need to go all out if it is an 1/8th because of the other tracks in the area...people are definitely not going to want to drive to a half-assed 1/8th if they have one close to them, but if it is a full 1/4 mile...then that is a different story

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Is here enough runout for a 1/4 mile track though or enough land to make that much runout??

[Gt]

There is enough for a 1/4 mile. Cost wise and legal battle wise, its just easier for him to open it 1/8 right now. He said possible after its open a 1-2 years as a 1/8, he might make it a 1/4.

Just be glad to get anything right now IMHO.

redmach1:
Yes, its technically being grandfathered in. Thats why its being allowed to open there again.

Tony

[Fatass306]

Originally posted by "JD"

Put it this way: If I lived in Jacksonville and wanted to race, I'd go to Gainesville, right? OK, so I hear about a new track in Tallahassee. I definitely going to at least check it out. If I get there and the paddock is all dirt, the railings are made out of railroad tracks, and it basically looks like something that's been put together like a set from Gilligan's Island, then the track is really half-assed. Am I going to foresake the digs down in G'ville for this? No, I'm going to go back to Gainesville from then on. However, if it's a seriously great location with paved (if not cement) paddock stalls, new facilities, all new asphalt, nice seating, and drawing folks from all over the panhandle for NHRA race weekends, I'm looking at a new option.

exactly...had a similar thing happen here in TX, my local 1/8th was a POFS (4 serious crashes within 2 weeks) i would have rather drivin the hr to ennis than hit the local track 5 mins away. anyways it was sold and the new owners came in and REALLY cleaned the place up, ripped out the old track and layed new concrete, added 500 feet to the shutdown and the pits were FINALLY paved along with a new tower, new bleachers etc etc. what used to be a PITA to get the locals to race at now brings people in from 30-40 miles away that have a 1/4 (ennis) in there back yard.

[D]

I dont' care if it is 600 feet. I'm tied of going 90+ miles to race

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

I can't even get enough time to get out of town to race so I agree that even a 600 foot track would be cool...Beggers can't be choosers.

[Slush]

Originally posted by "D"

I dont' care if it is 600 feet. I'm tied of going 90+ miles to race

eggggggzactly

[JD]

Originally posted by "Gt"

There is enough for a 1/4 mile. Cost wise and legal battle wise, its just easier for him to open it 1/8 right now. He said possible after its open a 1-2 years as a 1/8, he might make it a 1/4.

Just be glad to get anything right now IMHO.
Tony

Sweet. :)

[Rawink]

A big bump to the top..

[96V6]

how is it going? have they made any progress yet?or they still bitching about the noise it will make?

[chimmike]

Yeah I'd like to know if there's anything I can do to help on this one.

[Gt]

Still in the courts it looks like... (http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/process.asp?template=summary&addQuery=real_case.case_id='21130316')


If that link doesn't work, go to

http://www.clerk.leon.fl.us/wrapper.php3?page=http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/disclaimer/disclaimer.asp&node=online

And search for last name Subrahmanyam

[fatkid]

Can't they just put this thing out by the airport where there is enough noise so it won't bother anyone.

[chimmike]

thing is, if they keep winning, the Judge should be the one to say that she can no longer file any more suits to stop it.

[98GTfromGA]

maybe they could let folks race on one of the runways out there :mrgreen:

[Raptor05121]

Bump from the dead. I'm guessing the witch succeeded?

[jdsjunkyard]

yup. i drive by the old track ever day wishing htey would open it. and the women no longer lives there to. she moved out back in 05 06 i believe

[Raptor05121]

wow. does the same company own the land? I'm pretty sure the support in 6 years has since grown. and with her out of there and the fact that it would bring in so much money and cut down on the street racing, there is no reason they SHOULDN'T open it

[spadoc79]

now that she is gone is there a chance it could be open?

[Tally TransAm]

nope

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[Raptor05121]

i rode out there today to check it out. history wise its pretty spooky. trees have taken over about 1/2 way down making it a one-lane ride, and several DEEP potholes. nothing left of the return lane. its a shame that we could have something exciting to do in Tally if it werent for that inbred cow

[madderhatter]

I don't think anywhere around here does it, actually Anchorage was the only place I knew of that did this. The closest 1/4 mile strip was Palmer Raceway (about an hour away) and they got tired of the street racing in the summer time so the cops/city barricaded off Commercial Drive, about the equivalent of Cap Cir heading out towards Southwood where there's not really anything on the side but woods. They would block it off, set up portable bleachers and a timing system, and have 1/8 mile races twice a month on Sundays during the day from noon until about 8pm or so. Of course there were several ways around the section they blocked off but it was a lot of fun. No idea if they even do that any more.

Derek, you should buy the land and resurface the track ! :clap:

[Raptor05121]

Derek, you should buy the land and resurface the track ! :clap:

resurfacing the track is the LAST of their worries. we'd need a LOT of chainsaws, stump grinders, and bushogs