WTF happened to Mike Duncan-Extreme Motorsports??????????

[LSwhat]

I've herd all kind of rumors, but does anybody know first hand. I see JR and Mr.Conell's trucks infront of the building, but Duncan has been MIA for three months. I need Nitrous mother fuck I need Nitrous.

[Gt]

Vauses 4x4 is the only other local place to get nitrous I think.


I've heard rumors too about Mike...shrug

[slmdLS1]

i dont know for sure, but i, uh i mean a friend :wink: wanted to know who's left around town to get nitrous? Sean @ NRG doesnt sell any?

[redmach1]

Originally posted by "Gt"

Vauses 4x4 is the only other local place to get nitrous I think.

Where is Vauses nowadays? From Mission to Cap. cir to..?

[Gt]

Thought they were still on Cap Circle...shrug

[redmach1]

They might be, but every time I go by there they look like a ghost town. That is a huge building they have on Cap. cir by the way!

[slmdLS1]

Originally posted by "Gt"


I've heard rumors too about Mike...shrug

care to share these rumors?

[Greg Kulbick]

Biult an engine, thought he did another outstanding job, started it up, boom.

[slmdLS1]

Originally posted by "FL Zinc"

Biult an engine, thought he did another outstanding job, started it up, boom.

that kinda goes without saying, and from what ive heard it wouldnt be the first time, but i figured it was something worse

[IUP99snake]

you can get it in thomasville if it comes to that.

Homer

[Jericho574]

You can get it from Publix...the whip cream section yes?

[IUP99snake]

im suprised a ricer hasnt tried that yet.

-Homer

[Jericho574]

I'm sure theyve thought about it

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Vauses is now Silvey's we are on Capital cir. SW just north of the airport between 20 and Orange Ave. Any one here on TMCA needing Nitrous can come here and watch the bottle being filled we will show you the weight before and after the bottle is filled. Also anyone on TMCA can get 10 percent off their nitrous purchase. We are open from 8 to 6 Monday thru Friday.

Frank

[96s10]

holy old thread batman!!!

[Gt]

Yup, old. But Frank had a good reason to bring it back.

[96s10]

yes. frank is allowed to bring back a thread that pertains to his shop. as long as it doesn't have +1 in it.

[Slow ET]

ah... i thought ls-twat was back

[Gt]

+1


/me ducks and runs

[TylerGT]

+1


/me ducks and runs

BAN HIM...ohh wait.

[Sleeper]

ah... i thought ls-twat was back


he will be soon, and he will stick to his name.
LS...what?

[NotoriousGreaseMonkey]

Ok I'll bite.. at the risk of being banned whats up with the +1???
Frank :wtf:

[rufaast]

Extreme MotorSports, Mike Duncan, went out of business,
he let the business go back to connell, Mike had some personal issues with connell, etc etc.
And Mike has since moved from Tally.

This is no rumor, this is what happened.

[brandboZ28]

This is also no rumor, Extreme sucked. That is all.

[rufaast]

Opinions are like ASSHOLES, everyone has one.

[RACER1269]

Opinions are like ASSHOLES, everyone has one.


so true and some people let their "opinions" take over their personalities too . lol

also i am notsure ,but you know who im tlkn about RUFAAST, but one of the fastest Cheby Cameros on here ? well in town anyway came out mikes shop . he might of made mistakes but all in all he is a ok guy,

:tu:

[slmdLS1]

Opinions are like ASSHOLES, everyone has one.


so true and some people let their "opinions" take over their personalities too . lol

also i am notsure ,but you know who im tlkn about RUFAAST, but one of the fastest Cheby Cameros on here ? well in town anyway came out mikes shop . he might of made mistakes but all in all he is a ok guy,

:tu:

[brandboZ28]

so true and some people let their "opinions" take over their personalities too . lol

also i am notsure ,but you know who im tlkn about RUFAAST, but one of the fastest Cheby Cameros on here ? well in town anyway came out mikes shop . he might of made mistakes but all in all he is a ok guy,

:tu:

CamAro

When building engines, you cant make mistakes, and if you do, you cant just run off and not take care of them. Mike might have been a great guy but I dont see how leaving people high and dry with blown motors is ok. Also, what Camaro are you talking about coming out of his shop? Im just curious.

[93zm6tally]

Are you talking about mine? Probably not because I'm not one of the fastest here. I had my heads done there when I was a newbie, car made 360 RWHP with those heads, stock bottom end, bolt-ons and a CC305 Cam.

I guess I'd call the heads average, but I seriously over-paid and I did have some other issues with their work. FWIW Aarron up at SGC has a pretty good opinion of Mike, for whatever reason, and I do respect Aaron - he seems to be fairly good with certain Chevy's :wink:

[97MattGT]

well, you can say opinions are like engines...

cuz Extreme blew a lot of 'em up. :evolve:

[rufaast]

what engines are you speaking of, that came out of extreme that blew up?

details, details,

Course i dont think anyone on here, would admit to it,
But i dont think EXTREME was driving your car when it blew up, hmm, i wonder.

And of course , it blowing up, didnt have anything to do with the owner either, im sure not.

and im sure, if it blew up, who ever it was, went up there to talk about it too, hmm, i bet that happened too, hmmmm

Most cars on the street dont make enough power to JUST BLOW UP anyways,
and define blow up,?

Did it snap a rod, did it melt a piston, did it break a crank, if so, Why dont you call the manufacture and bitch at them, cuz THEY are the ones that built those part not EXTREME, most people have never owned their own business, and dont no the first thing about dealing with the public.
Most people like to talk alot of shit about someone, because of THEIR own short comings, and something they DID to their own car, to cause a mishap,
Im sure things have happened, engines have broke, dont run right , etc etc,that could be attributed to Extreme.
But i would tend to believe alot of the mishaps, has ALOT to do with THE OWNER.


MACHINE SHOPS DONT MAKE ENGINE PARTS, THEY ONLY INSTALL THEM.

Course in this perfect world that we live in, YOU CANT SATISFY EVERYONE ANYWAYS. There is always going to be someone that got pissed off, or felt they got Fu--ed, only normal. Life will go on.
There is always someone that is going to think they got charged to much. Normal. If you feel that way, then send your stuff up to Lingenfelter, im sure he is alot cheaper, :q: , get it done by them, or order you stuff out of a magazine, there are alot of companies out there that sell parts. Or better yet build your own engine, make sure not to call anyone and ask for pointers, do it all your self, See how long it lasts. Especially if it makes any kind of power.
And when it blows up or smokes , make sure you tell everyone that You built your motor, and it smokes, and you didnt no exactly what you were doing. I bet there are less than a hand full of people on here, that actually know how to build an engine properly, can measure and check clearances etc.
Alot more to it, than just putting the crank and rods and pistons in. That is if you want to make any power.


Ahh , steps down off the soap box.

[RACER1269]

Opinions are like ASSHOLES, everyone has one.


so true and some people let their "opinions" take over their personalities too . lol

also i am notsure ,but you know who im tlkn about RUFAAST, but one of the fastest Cheby Cameros on here ? well in town anyway came out mikes shop . he might of made mistakes but all in all he is a ok guy,

:tu:
oh but the B in Cheby is ok its a joke :roll:

[RACER1269]

Are you talking about mine? Probably not because I'm not one of the fastest here. I had my heads done there when I was a newbie, car made 360 RWHP with those heads, stock bottom end, bolt-ons and a CC305 Cam.

I guess I'd call the heads average, but I seriously over-paid and I did have some other issues with their work. FWIW Aarron up at SGC has a pretty good opinion of Mike, for whatever reason, and I do respect Aaron - he seems to be fairly good with certain Chevy's :wink:


if you ride around with a white dog then yeah im talkn bout you

[93zm6tally]

Are you talking about mine? Probably not because I'm not one of the fastest here. I had my heads done there when I was a newbie, car made 360 RWHP with those heads, stock bottom end, bolt-ons and a CC305 Cam.

I guess I'd call the heads average, but I seriously over-paid and I did have some other issues with their work. FWIW Aarron up at SGC has a pretty good opinion of Mike, for whatever reason, and I do respect Aaron - he seems to be fairly good with certain Chevy's :wink:


if you ride around with a white dog then yeah im talkn bout you

I have a White American Bulldog, but don't ride around with him. I can't remember ever having him in my car, so you must be talking about someone else. My car is purple pearl BTW, looks grey to most people.

[RACER1269]

nope actually its a tanish white lab i think , older guy i forgot his name ,. there are people on here that know him i seen some people talk about his car. it was black , with ls1 in it i believe

[tanglewood]

nope actually its a tanish white lab i think , older guy i forgot his name ,. there are people on here that know him i seen some people talk about his car. it was black , with ls1 in it i believe

That was a friend of mine. His name was Mike, and the dogs name was Bear. He is no longer in Tally, but yes, that car was fast... If I'm not mistaken it was a 98, and had some serious engine work done to it, blew up the bottom end, and had a 2000 short block replaced in it. I know he said that Extreme did all of the work. I will keep what I think he had said about it all to myself, as I can not exactly remember, and he has returned to his home country... Canada.

[pendrgn]

what engines are you speaking of, that came out of extreme that blew up?

details, details,

Course i dont think anyone on here, would admit to it,
But i dont think EXTREME was driving your car when it blew up, hmm, i wonder.

And of course , it blowing up, didnt have anything to do with the owner either, im sure not.

and im sure, if it blew up, who ever it was, went up there to talk about it too, hmm, i bet that happened too, hmmmm

Most cars on the street dont make enough power to JUST BLOW UP anyways,
and define blow up,?

Did it snap a rod, did it melt a piston, did it break a crank, if so, Why dont you call the manufacture and bitch at them, cuz THEY are the ones that built those part not EXTREME, most people have never owned their own business, and dont no the first thing about dealing with the public.
Most people like to talk alot of shit about someone, because of THEIR own short comings, and something they DID to their own car, to cause a mishap,
Im sure things have happened, engines have broke, dont run right , etc etc,that could be attributed to Extreme.
But i would tend to believe alot of the mishaps, has ALOT to do with THE OWNER.


MACHINE SHOPS DONT MAKE ENGINE PARTS, THEY ONLY INSTALL THEM.

Course in this perfect world that we live in, YOU CANT SATISFY EVERYONE ANYWAYS. There is always going to be someone that got pissed off, or felt they got Fu--ed, only normal. Life will go on.
There is always someone that is going to think they got charged to much. Normal. If you feel that way, then send your stuff up to Lingenfelter, im sure he is alot cheaper, :q: , get it done by them, or order you stuff out of a magazine, there are alot of companies out there that sell parts. Or better yet build your own engine, make sure not to call anyone and ask for pointers, do it all your self, See how long it lasts. Especially if it makes any kind of power.
And when it blows up or smokes , make sure you tell everyone that You built your motor, and it smokes, and you didnt no exactly what you were doing. I bet there are less than a hand full of people on here, that actually know how to build an engine properly, can measure and check clearances etc.
Alot more to it, than just putting the crank and rods and pistons in. That is if you want to make any power.


Ahh , steps down off the soap box.
good job sticking up for the him. Of course you are touting off answer before you know what he did. I have heard the stories, and none of them were driving error. Mostly, he said he did stuff, and charge people, then to find out, nothing was done. Plus he gave weird advice on mods. He was way to pricey. He talked down to people like he knew so much more, but the cars I saw that he upgraded were dogs, and the is being nice, my mother could mod a car better than him. In my opinion.
but hey, good job in sticking up for him, are you his friend or something? just a warning, on this board, I would not side with him... lol... ;)

[Gt]

Mike as a person was a nice guy. From a performance stand point, well he was lacking (some probably say the same about me, shrug). What convinced me of his lack of performance was the whole Power Adder thing with him. He one time tried to tell me to go back from Superchargers to nitrous. I would make more power :roll: Sure if I shot 2 150 stages maybe.

The main kicker was Sam's Twin Turbo car. The previous owner had went 10.80s with the car. When Sam got it, he kept blowing HGs. Mike convinced him to sell the EFI and Twin Turbos for a nitrous carb setup. The car never ran as good again. And he was rip'd off like a mofo (from what Sam told me he was charged etc).

[rufaast]

nope actually its a tanish white lab i think , older guy i forgot his name ,. there are people on here that know him i seen some people talk about his car. it was black , with ls1 in it i believe

That was a friend of mine. His name was Mike, and the dogs name was Bear. He is no longer in Tally, but yes, that car was fast... If I'm not mistaken it was a 98, and had some serious engine work done to it, blew up the bottom end, and had a 2000 short block replaced in it. I know he said that Extreme did all of the work. I will keep what I think he had said about it all to myself, as I can not exactly remember, and he has returned to his home country... Canada.



Actually, the work they did at first was install heads and cam, Motor broke, and extreme installed a short block that MIKE/with dog Bear. had bought. No engine work was done at extreme, only head and cam install.
The next problem MIKE had was valve spring broke, And if you truly know MIKE, you know how he drives his car. HARD VERY HARD.
No extreme building at extreme took place.
Ahhh,
Story is straight now.

[93zm6tally]

nope actually its a tanish white lab i think , older guy i forgot his name ,. there are people on here that know him i seen some people talk about his car. it was black , with ls1 in it i believe

Definitely not me, I'm a much younger guy. Don't believe what anyone says about my age on this board. ;)

[tanglewood]

nope actually its a tanish white lab i think , older guy i forgot his name ,. there are people on here that know him i seen some people talk about his car. it was black , with ls1 in it i believe

That was a friend of mine. His name was Mike, and the dogs name was Bear. He is no longer in Tally, but yes, that car was fast... If I'm not mistaken it was a 98, and had some serious engine work done to it, blew up the bottom end, and had a 2000 short block replaced in it. I know he said that Extreme did all of the work. I will keep what I think he had said about it all to myself, as I can not exactly remember, and he has returned to his home country... Canada.



Actually, the work they did at first was install heads and cam, Motor broke, and extreme installed a short block that MIKE/with dog Bear. had bought. No engine work was done at extreme, only head and cam install.
The next problem MIKE had was valve spring broke, And if you truly know MIKE, you know how he drives his car. HARD VERY HARD.
No extreme building at extreme took place.
Ahhh,
Story is straight now.


My point exactly... as with everyone else on this thread, if I am not mistaken... (FYI I am not flaming Extreme)

Extreme put his short block, heads and cam in the car, right? As you mentioned above. So I would assume that Extreme put his engine together. I would agree they did not get in there and assemble the short block from the ground up, but they did all the work on it. This thread is about the work that THEY DID AND THE PRICE THAT THEY CHARGED...

Actually, you know what, forget all of that as this is pointless! I'm Done...

[rufaast]

[good job sticking up for the him. Of course you are touting off answer before you know what he did. I have heard the stories, and none of them were driving error. Mostly, he said he did stuff, and charge people, then to find out, nothing was done. Plus he gave weird advice on mods. He was way to pricey. He talked down to people like he knew so much more, but the cars I saw that he upgraded were dogs, and the is being nice, my mother could mod a car better than him. In my opinion.
but hey, good job in sticking up for him, are you his friend or something? just a warning, on this board, I would not side with him... lol... ;)[/QUOTE]

Not siding with anyone. Just making a pt. Dont know/and what type of advice that he gave.And i cant say that someone DID or DIDNT get taken advantage of.

Not to mention when He opened that business, LS1's were just starting to be mod'd.
As far as forced induction goes, Imsure the man, gave advice on what he knew. Cant speak for him on that either.

I was simply stating, INFORMATION can give way off tract. People always talk sh-- and always will. No matter who or what the subject is.
Most people wont own up to their own short comings, and like to point blame elsewhere.

and as far as pricy goes. I dont no who/ what company you are comparing too. Once again, Most havent ever owned their own business.Dont know how to run a business etc.
So if people complain about prices, why doesnt someone open up a speed shop here in town, Sell all parts at their cost, and lets see how long they stay in business. Most speed shops at 15-20% mark up on parts. which isnt sh--.
Selling only parts doesnt make a business last. Labor is the main money maker.
I will be the first in line to buy parts at cost.


So was MIKE/with the dog BEAR, was his car down on power?
I suppose a broken valve spring is EXTREMES fault. Extreme manufactured the valve spring? hmmmm.
I suppose MIKE/with bear, should take his car back to GM for all the trannys he broke, and all the rear ends he broke, hmmm, And i suppose MIke/bear should post information that GM sucks, and how het got Fu--ed when he bought a camaro.hmmmm, i wonder?

[pendrgn]

No engine work was done at extreme, only head and cam install.

Ahhh, Story is straight now.
Head and Cam is NOT motor work??? What do you consider in your world to be motor work.

the only way the story will be straight is from Mike or the guy with the car. So stop sounding so right... it is just annoying...

thanks.

[rufaast]

My point exactly... as with everyone else on this thread, if I am not mistaken... (FYI I am not flaming Extreme)

Extreme put his short block, heads and cam in the car, right? As you mentioned above. So I would assume that Extreme put his engine together. I would agree they did not get in there and assemble the short block from the ground up, but they did all the work on it. This thread is about the work that THEY DID AND THE PRICE THAT THEY CHARGED...

Actually, you know what, forget all of that as this is pointless! I'm Done...[/QUOTE]


Sorry for the insult if any was taken, I was not trying to imply you were FLAMING Extreme.
And i dont no what price was charged for install etc. Do you know what it should have cost?How much did he pay?
And you are correct, extreme did NO Internal assembly other than heads and cam.

[pendrgn]

good job sticking up for the him. Of course you are touting off answer before you know what he did. I have heard the stories, and none of them were driving error. Mostly, he said he did stuff, and charge people, then to find out, nothing was done. Plus he gave weird advice on mods. He was way to pricey. He talked down to people like he knew so much more, but the cars I saw that he upgraded were dogs, and the is being nice, my mother could mod a car better than him. In my opinion.
but hey, good job in sticking up for him, are you his friend or something? just a warning, on this board, I would not side with him... lol... ;)

Not siding with anyone. Just making a pt. Dont know/and what type of advice that he gave.And i cant say that someone DID or DIDNT get taken advantage of.

Not to mention when He opened that business, LS1's were just starting to be mod'd.
As far as forced induction goes, Imsure the man, gave advice on what he knew. Cant speak for him on that either.

I was simply stating, INFORMATION can give way off tract. People always talk sh-- and always will. No matter who or what the subject is.
Most people wont own up to their own short comings, and like to point blame elsewhere.

and as far as pricy goes. I dont no who/ what company you are comparing too. Once again, Most havent ever owned their own business.Dont know how to run a business etc.
So if people complain about prices, why doesnt someone open up a speed shop here in town, Sell all parts at their cost, and lets see how long they stay in business. Most speed shops at 15-20% mark up on parts. which isnt sh--.
Selling only parts doesnt make a business last. Labor is the main money maker.
I will be the first in line to buy parts at cost.


So was MIKE/with the dog BEAR, was his car down on power?
I suppose a broken valve spring is EXTREMES fault. Extreme manufactured the valve spring? hmmmm.
I suppose MIKE/with bear, should take his car back to GM for all the trannys he broke, and all the rear ends he broke, hmmm, And i suppose MIke/bear should post information that GM sucks, and how het got Fu--ed when he bought a camaro.hmmmm, i wonder?

Well, looks like you got an answer for everything here.
"I suppose a broken valve spring is EXTREMES fault. Extreme manufactured the valve spring? hmmmm." - this is the silly... shows your ignorance and how much of an ass you are. Sorry that was harsh, but I dont care, everyone here knows me. If they installed a cam with a lot of lift and the springs broke afterwards, I would blame them, and it would be there fault as the experts doing the labor... of course I am not saying they were experts, couple of hicks with a shop really. And like I said earlier, you are NOT mike nor the owner of the car, so we cant say for sure what happen, it is all hearsay and you are just rambling on about something that cant be proved or unproved, yet you are touting off like you know for sure it was not mike. Well, it could have been, or maybe it was not...

all your information about businesses... bite me, I have run my own business, aided in running a small business, and do side ventures all the time. Labor is most of the money, but from MY PERSONAL experince with them, they would try to sell me things I didnt need, which I felt was to raise the price and labor for their benefit. It also made them seem like they didnt know what they were doing. The stuff I was ordering was mark-up way more than you mentioned, and I found the stuff elsewhere much cheaper.

Mostly what bugged me was their RACE GAS. It came with so much shit floating in it, I had to filter it before I used it... that to me says alot about how much they cared...

"Not siding with anyone. Just making a pt." - you seem to be and your points are based on nothing but the smoke you blow and information about others peoples issues that is passed on. Above is my two cents on my experience there, I will let the other boards member tell there stories.

As a finally word, I am glad he is gone with his shop, better to have nothing than that in my opinion

[93zm6tally]

test

[rufaast]

Good reply's.
Have no comments on the race gas, Gas came in a big truck, pumped it into a holding tank, or 55gal. drums.

So I suppose if you bought a cam kit with springs and cam etc. and you installed the springs and they broke, ITs your fault , correct? And your going Call the cam manufacture and tell them that you Broke a valve spring and would love to buy another? :O)

[tanglewood]

test


<strike>Actually, you know what, forget all of that as this is pointless! I'm Done...</strike>

Test? Your Test sucks and its a mofo! You know what... You're a mofo, and your test sucks! So just get off of it already you stupid mofo with your mofo test!

[fatkid]

HOLY HELL SOMEONE LOCK THIS!!!!! Half the ppl on here dont know who or what ur talkin bout is just getting annoying now.

[rufaast]

what does test mean anyways?

[tanglewood]

what does test mean anyways?

EXACTLY!

(Last one in?)

[rufaast]

No insult implied to you TangleWood, on the previous threads.
Threads are fun arent they (O:

[rufaast]

HOLY HELL SOMEONE LOCK THIS!!!!! Half the ppl on here dont know who or what ur talkin bout is just getting annoying now.



TRUE VERY TRUE, some dont have a CLUE

but lock it,. ehh, kinda harsh, yes?

Threads are fun

[fatkid]

Not harsh. This has become annoying about 4 of u have been ranting on about this. TAKE IT TO PM. There fun to an extent!!! :flip2:

[tanglewood]

Not harsh. This has become annoying about 4 of u have been ranting on about this. TAKE IT TO PM. There fun to an extent!!! :flip2:

I got bored reading arguments, so I just decided to lash out at some one....

If the thread isn't locked after ten more replies, I'll go back and apologize... :qball:

I do apologize to everyone that is subscribed to this thread...

[Greg Kulbick]

I went to Extreme once. The price magically changed when I went to pick up the car with no more than expected work performed. The work asked for was not performed, shortcuts were taken. This was simple installs, no engine work. In conversation he learned I had a 95 GT before my 01. He said I should have kept the car because stock for stock the 95 was faster. I had no problem not going back there. I guess I can thank him for one thing, he forced me to decide to at least attempt every bit of work done to my car until it is a last resort in the fear of taking it to a person that mind end up being like him.

[slmdLS1]

rufaast....rumike?

[DustnF]

rufaast....rumike?

Good question...I was wondering the same thing after reading this thread

[RACER1269]

the stuff Rufaast is saying isnt hearsay i was up there for a year+, and that is two people that agree. me and mike had bumped heads and i agree some of the advice he gave wasnt based on fact , more opinion, that was one of his short comings, but i know he didnt not intentionaly screw people over. most of the things i seen people bitch about they had partial blame to . mike has to charge a certain price to stay in busness but people would bitch and moan so he would try to keep the job and the have to leave stuff out jus to get the job. and i dont think he did this without the customer knowing.there are alot of people in this hobby that cant afford it and that causes alot of problems. the best customers the older mature rich guys and gals. that can pay when the stuff is finished etc . im surprised mike didnt kill himself with the place i seen him in alot of stress .
i dont know what happened towards the end because i wansnt there , the performance business is a hard thing, shit is gonna break and 8 times out 10 its jus inferior parts not the shops fault.

but for fact i know that guy with the blk camaro drove that car like he stole it ALL the time.

and that sucks about the race gas , but that is why most racing funnels have filters and there are filters on your car. its a industrial thing . btw what you running race gas for ? dont you have a street car pen.? :P


lol no that isnt mike , and im not either
faast where did mike move ?

[slmdLS1]

rufaast....rumike?

Good question...I was wondering the same thing after reading this thread


at least i wasnt alone :tu:

[jess]

Figures you would not agree with the majority on this board. Anyway, who knows whose fault it was that shit happen, that fact is shit happened. Not just to 1 person but a couple of people. He may have been a super guy but I wouldn't go around blaming the parts... I think it has to do with more of the install. I have a friend that bent 165489465468421 push rods during an install and I don't think it was the parts fault.

[rufaast]

AHH, No, Im not Mike from extreme.

Are you Shaun from Upgrade :mmk:

:qball:

[rufaast]

didnt say Parts where all the problem,
But havent seen ANYONE , owning up to Problems they may have cause either.


And you would be correct on pushrods, They can bend if installed incorrectly.

[jess]

didnt say Parts where all the problem,
But havent seen ANYONE , owning up to Problems they may have cause either.


And you would be correct on pushrods, They can bend if installed incorrectly.


I was refering to the top of page 3 where you wrote a couple of things about calling the manufacturer, yada yada, oh and the part where you said "MACHINE SHOPS DONT MAKE ENGINE PARTS, THEY ONLY INSTALL THEM."

Of course they won't own up to if it was there problem, b/c I'm sure they honestly believe it wasn't.

[RACER1269]

didnt say Parts where all the problem,
But havent seen ANYONE , owning up to Problems they may have cause either.


And you would be correct on pushrods, They can bend if installed incorrectly.

lol hows that ? there isnt a up and down on a new pushrod. :P

shaun isnt on here he cant seem to get a name or something . Gt is working on it
flyshitbox is the name shaun will use if and when he visits but he will sign the post if he does .

[Greg Kulbick]

didnt say Parts where all the problem,
But havent seen ANYONE , owning up to Problems they may have cause either.


And you would be correct on pushrods, They can bend if installed incorrectly.

You're right, I need to own up to the problem after Mike worked on my car. The problem is that I took it to Mike.

[rufaast]

True True,
to quote myself again "MACHINE SHOPS DONT MAKE ENGINE PARTS, THEY ONLY INSTALL THEM."
As far as incorrect install, Who really knows if that was cause or not, someone said this previously. But most people are quick to point blame to the machine shop, whether or not its their fault or not. This is how society works, wrong or right. And most that get work done by any machine shop are clueless to a point ,when it comes to installation, and Can and Have been taken advantage of because of something that the machine did. I agree. But there is also another side to that too. People are always looking to point blame elsewhere, no matter if they caused the problem. Which does happen too. You cant satisfy everyone, always someone out there that is going to be pissed because they feel that they got taken advantage of or not.
I know alot of engines that came from that shop, that made loads of power. And no-one yet in this town has made more power than Extreme has/did etc.

[RACER1269]

Figures you would not agree with the majority on this board. Anyway, who knows whose fault it was that shit happen, that fact is shit happened. Not just to 1 person but a couple of people. He may have been a super guy but I wouldn't go around blaming the parts... I think it has to do with more of the install. I have a friend that bent 165489465468421 push rods during an install and I don't think it was the parts fault.

jess i really am not a fire starter, i am merely (?) posting info i know so that people will be better informed , i really do know alot about the performance industry , its part of my job . the stuff i dont know i go and research . :tu:

[Greg Kulbick]

I asked him to install a part one way, he chose to install it another way. He then proceeded to lie to me about it being installed how I wanted it then charge me more than the price we had agreed upon to install it. But you're right, its my fault.

[rufaast]

now dont you feel better now, that you have owned up to your short comings

:O)

i feel better now, that you said that .

see arent threads fun

[RACER1269]

I asked him to install a part one way, he chose to install it another way. He then proceeded to lie to me about it being installed how I wanted it then charge me more than the price we had agreed upon to install it. But you're right, its my fault.

be more specific , what part and how did you want it done and how did he do it . mayeb that was the only reasonable way ? i wil be honest and tell you what the case maybe .

[jess]

Figures you would not agree with the majority on this board. Anyway, who knows whose fault it was that shit happen, that fact is shit happened. Not just to 1 person but a couple of people. He may have been a super guy but I wouldn't go around blaming the parts... I think it has to do with more of the install. I have a friend that bent 165489465468421 push rods during an install and I don't think it was the parts fault.

jess i really am not a fire starter, i am merely (?) posting info i know so that people will be better informed , i really do know alot about the performance industry , its part of my job . the stuff i dont know i go and research . :tu:


I know a little bit too, I grew up in a machine shop! My mom had a dragster for a better part of my younger years.

[Greg Kulbick]

I t was a strut tower brace because I planned to go coilovers and STB's are a good idea. I told him to install it and thread the holes for the bolts or in the very least weld some nuts to the underside so I could have the least hassle removing it as an STB needs to come out to do a lot of underhood work. When I picked up the car, the price had increased and he said the holes were tapped. First time I went to take the STB off I learned that there were simply holes drilled in the car and a bolt with a nut holding the brace on. No tapped holes, no nuts welded on the backside.

[slmdLS1]

True True,
to quote myself again "MACHINE SHOPS DONT MAKE ENGINE PARTS, THEY ONLY INSTALL THEM."
As far as incorrect install, Who really knows if that was cause or not, someone said this previously. But most people are quick to point blame to the machine shop, whether or not its their fault or not. This is how society works, wrong or right. And most that get work done by any machine shop are clueless to a point ,when it comes to installation, and Can and Have been taken advantage of because of something that the machine did. I agree. But there is also another side to that too. People are always looking to point blame elsewhere, no matter if they caused the problem. Which does happen too. You cant satisfy everyone, always someone out there that is going to be pissed because they feel that they got taken advantage of or not.
I know alot of engines that came from that shop, that made loads of power. And no-one yet in this town has made more power than Extreme has/did etc.

stick that "quote" above your door when you open a shop and see how many customers you get. "its not our fault you got the wrong parts, and they are wrong cuase we say so"

and no im not shaun, but i see the similarities you draw between him and mike, but thats another thread. ;)

[tanglewood]

http://www.ls1.com/forums/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[rufaast]

outstanding pen-menship.
"THE TRUTH CAN BE AN UGLY THING"
i guess thats why so many people stray from it .

I think SLMDLS1 , you need to open up a shop for all of us to come and buy parts from.

quote as you call it, Is common sense to most people. But alas some are too young to realize that. And are still breast feeding.

[slmdLS1]

I think SLMDLS1 , you need to open up a shop for all of us to come and buy parts from.


wanna buy some high performance blinker fluid, i can get you a really good price. ;)


But alas some are too young to realize that. And are still breast feeding.

arent you like 27?

[GMMAN]

but i know he didnt not intentionaly screw people over.

:funny:

[rufaast]

do you happen to have any MUFFLER BEARINGS in stock,?

nope not 27,

[RACER1269]

but i know he didnt not intentionaly screw people over.

:funny:
well maybe he told a white lie or something lol , that isnt the point i was trying to make . there are cirumstances for everything , im saying that he didnt wake up one morning and say "hey im gonna open a shop up and charge pppl for shit im not gonna put on thier cars. " that is the way some people make it out . he did alot of things i didnt agree with hell he was hard headed to but i really dont think he had intent ..... what does it matter anyway , he isnt here anymore , and now no one will have a chance of going faast . lol
except those of us that know how to do it on their own . :tu:

[Greg Kulbick]

Well? Where's the truth about my sitiation Racer? You always say to base everything off fact. The fact is he didn't perform the work as promised, lied about performing the work as promised and then upped the price. Or is all that one of the little white lies you have no problem with? There were no outside circumstances, he simply did not perform the work and then lied about doing it. But its still all my fault, right?

[RACER1269]

Well? Where's the truth about my sitiation Racer? You always say to base everything off fact. The fact is he didn't perform the work as promised, lied about performing the work as promised and then upped the price. Or is all that one of the little white lies you have no problem with? There were no outside circumstances, he simply did not perform the work and then lied about doing it. But its still all my fault, right?

well what he should of told you is ........"i cant tap your strut towers because i dont think there will be enoguh material there to support the strut bar, or i dont want to be resposible for welding nuts on your towers becasue it might and probably will mess the paint up there, and in a computer controlled car you should unplug the ECU etc to prevent damage form the current of the welder, so basicaly it isnt worht the trouble , sorry."

and on the price wel lthat is a basic est of price now i know it sucks but that is part of the performance business that shit is almost always higher then the first price told ,

i think in the past he should of been more vocal about the price increase to people . but then again you got people that say do this do that ..... and not realize how much doing they are telling a guy to do , that shit adds up i seen that happen alot .

[rufaast]

You say he didnt do what you asked. Did you have the opportunity to ask him why he didnt , did you go back and ask for a refund,. Provided he wasnt out of business yet.Were you able to verify the work, you asked for before you took the car home?
Did you have a written estimate on how much it was going to cost. Probably not, and i have been down that same road. Lesson learned.

[93zm6tally]

Golly, I'm really wondering how we all got along before these two experts joined the board. I for one am eternally grateful that we can learn from the experiences of these two automotive performance wizards :roll:

[rufaast]

But Alas To Answer The Main Question To The Thread,
He Has Moved, Somewhere Else In Fl.

[RACER1269]

Golly, I'm really wondering how we all got along before these two experts joined the board. I for one am eternally grateful that we can learn from the experiences of these two automotive performance wizards :roll:
not a wizard i just have common sense, you know the stuff you dont get to but buy at college :flipoff2:

[GMMAN]

[rufaast]

Golly, I'm really wondering how we all got along before these two experts joined the board. I for one am eternally grateful that we can learn from the experiences of these two automotive performance wizards :roll:




Who is saying we arent getting along. I have no beef with anyone, Its all fun,some just get all bent outta shape. The truth usually tends to piss people off though. Most dont like to hear it,
If you got Fu--ed, you got Fu--ed, truth , truth, some people get pissed off when you tell them that. But they will get over it :P Smile, there is a tropical storm coming..
Anyone live on the beach? :qball:

[rufaast]

good point with that picture

[GMMAN]

[rufaast]

excellent picture. Now if we all would own up to that picture, would be great.

[96s10]

http://www.stang.cc/tmcaalbums/Misc-pics/popcorn.thumb.gif

[pendrgn]

Good reply's.
So I suppose if you bought a cam kit with springs and cam etc. and you installed the springs and they broke, ITs your fault , correct? And your going Call the cam manufacture and tell them that you Broke a valve spring and would love to buy another? :O)

If I installed it incorrectly or with the wrong settings, then how can I blame them, it is failed due to manufacturing issues, than I would blame them... depends on the situation man... geesh

[pendrgn]

and that sucks about the race gas , but that is why most racing funnels have filters and there are filters on your car. its a industrial thing . btw what you running race gas for ? dont you have a street car pen.? :P



for me, it went in my street car, mixed with 93. I run octane NOS boost all the time, thought I would try this for the track. My friend use the other half in his bike.

[RACER1269]

lol nice award ,,, did you win that at the track ? :tu:

[pendrgn]

I know alot of engines that came from that shop, that made loads of power. And no-one yet in this town has made more power than Extreme has/did etc.

I have talked to lots of people about extreme, you are the only one to say that and the only one I have ever seen say anything nice about his shop... that doesnt say much for him, and where are these cars? lol

[rufaast]

my point exactly, so back to someones statement, about Extreme, did the head and cam work. Did someone check to see if the set up was correctly. Or did they just ASSume extreme was at fault.
I have finally gotten to this statement.

[GMMAN]

lol nice award ,,, did you win that at the track ?
Yeah, in my 9 sec. s/c camEro I used to have. I sold it b/c it was too slow!

[RACER1269]

lol nice award ,,, did you win that at the track ?
Yeah, in my 9 sec. s/c camEro I used to have. I sold it b/c it was too slow!
lol you got pics ? i put pics of my 9 sec mustang up . too bad we both sold them im sure i would of beat you at the track .


:qball:

[pendrgn]

my point exactly, so back to someones statement, about Extreme, did the head and cam work. Did someone check to see if the set up was correctly. Or did they just ASSume extreme was at fault.
I have finally gotten to this statement.
statement of what, you stopped making sense a while ago...

as for all that verify and shit, you would hope a performance shop would be knowledgable to aid you in your performance gains and do the work they are charging you for... extreme lacks all of this...

they didnt really know anything, and their opinion was mostly wrong, like yours.

and their work was terrible, and ususally they charged for things they never did, but you would have to take the engine apart to know that, so they knew you would never know, thus he woke up every morning, thinking, how can I screw someone today..

and for that, I will see him in hell... :)

I am out of here.

[RACER1269]

:tu:

my point exactly, so back to someones statement, about Extreme, did the head and cam work. Did someone check to see if the set up was correctly. Or did they just ASSume extreme was at fault.
I have finally gotten to this statement.
statement of what, you stopped making sense a while ago...

as for all that verify and shit, you would hope a performance shop would be knowledgable to aid you in your performance gains and do the work they are charging you for... extreme lacks all of this...

they didnt really know anything, and their opinion was mostly wrong, like yours.

and their work was terrible, and ususally they charged for things they never did, but you would have to take the engine apart to know that, so they knew you would never know, thus he woke up every morning, thinking, how can I screw someone today..

and for that, I will see him in hell... :)

I am out of here.


PENDRGN nice car , seriously , but you gotta admit it looks a little JDM . heheheee :tu:

[rufaast]

these cars, well one is here in tally, 2 are in Pc.
I have one of these cars,racer1269 had one of these cars,there are bracket cars here in town from extreme, and when i say power i dont mean 300HP

[rufaast]

like i said everyone is intitled to their opinion,
and thank you again, for saying my opinion is MOSTLY wrong, at least we do agree on somethings,, Like owning a GM product :O)

[GMMAN]

lol you got pics ? i put pics of my 9 sec mustang up . too bad we both sold them im sure i would of beat you at the track .

I've got some somewhere. Let me look through my old mags for some random pics with no text.

[Greg Kulbick]

Well? Where's the truth about my sitiation Racer? You always say to base everything off fact. The fact is he didn't perform the work as promised, lied about performing the work as promised and then upped the price. Or is all that one of the little white lies you have no problem with? There were no outside circumstances, he simply did not perform the work and then lied about doing it. But its still all my fault, right?

well what he should of told you is ........"i cant tap your strut towers because i dont think there will be enoguh material there to support the strut bar, or i dont want to be resposible for welding nuts on your towers becasue it might and probably will mess the paint up there, and in a computer controlled car you should unplug the ECU etc to prevent damage form the current of the welder, so basicaly it isnt worht the trouble , sorry."

and on the price wel lthat is a basic est of price now i know it sucks but that is part of the performance business that shit is almost always higher then the first price told ,

i think in the past he should of been more vocal about the price increase to people . but then again you got people that say do this do that ..... and not realize how much doing they are telling a guy to do , that shit adds up i seen that happen alot .

Wrong. My 95 came from the factory with an STB and get this, the holes were tapped. :jaw: He said he tapped the holes when I asked before I left. He was long gone by the time I went to take it off the car the first time. That's right, the guy you're backing up flat out lied about the work he had done. Price issue, wrong. I signed the labor order that said it would cost a certain amount, knowing exactly what I expected of him. Never did he call to say its going to be more, it only came up when I handed him the original amount of money and he said I need more, for not even doing what he first said he would do and in fact did not do at all. What you say he should have told me is a moot point, because he didn't say it. You keep making excuses for him though, seeing as how you were there when it happened. Oh wait...

[brandboZ28]

You guys are acting like Mike was/is GOD and can do no wrong and when things happened, it was not his fault at all. Truth--everything bad that happened to the cars that Mike worked on was not his fault. People dont get a bad reputation from doing only great work on cars though. He made mistakes and cut corners, theres people on this forum that can attest to that, and thats not good in performance work...period. It doesnt matter if your changing oil or building a bottom end, if you fuck up...things can go boom.

[RACER1269]

lol you got pics ? i put pics of my 9 sec mustang up . too bad we both sold them im sure i would of beat you at the track .

I've got some somewhere. Let me look through my old mags for some random pics with no text.
if you are talking about my pic in the mag , there is text and the qualifing ladder also , i took a pic of the text and it didnt come up it was blurry . if i ever get out to sonic again or where ever ill try to bring the mag. it isnt a big deal i dont have that car anymore . moved on to diff things. :tu:

[RACER1269]

You guys are acting like Mike was/is GOD and can do no wrong and when things happened, it was not his fault at all. Truth--everything bad that happened to the cars that Mike worked on was not his fault. People dont get a bad reputation from doing only great work on cars though. He made mistakes and cut corners, theres people on this forum that can attest to that, and thats not good in performance work...period. It doesnt matter if your changing oil or building a bottom end, if you fuck up...things can go boom.
you got me wrong i said that mike and i bumped heads , i just think its silly to say shit like my motor exploded and its his fault. and the people neglect to say they were spraying 250 shot on a motor with bolts on etc. mike is by far not God but to say he wanted to screw people over and ruin a business that he had alot of money invested in is jus plain stupid. in a perfect world he would of made everyone 8 sec 1/4 terriors for 500 dollars but he made a few bad decissions and now he is gone. by the way my 9 sec mustang i built in my yeard and he only came within tenth or so with his car . i like that and am not taking up for him .
the strut tower bar . well it seems trivial to me and probably did to him to but he should of told you .... im courious how much did he charge ? i dont wnat to "take up for mike " you guys might look down on me , just was trying to put another side on it .... :tu:

[brandboZ28]

"A few bad decisions"?


As a whole, people are forgiving. He didnt just make a few bad decisions and a few little mess ups and people gave up on him. Time and time again people were wronged by him and thats why his reputation is what it is today.

As for the STB, it might be trivial but if I pay money for something whether it be a nickel or a grand, I better be getting what I paid for.

[Greg Kulbick]

When you don't have the tools to tap holes and a part provides more support than you obvioulsy give it credit for, especially with coilovers, it is far from trivial. The simple fact of the matter is that he lied about what he had done. You like fact so much but downplay it when it doesn't suit you, you are worthless to this board and to the people on it.

[Slow ET]

i put pics of my 9 sec mustang up . too bad we both sold them im sure i would of beat you at the track.

Few questions:
Didnt you sell the car and drive it for a kid when it ran ~9-10s? Wasnt it the fastest when it wasnt yours?
Didnt it blew up after running making a pass at SBSO?

[T]

this poor horse :(

[Kinson Cook, Jr]

Damn, this thread alone is just the reason I will not let anyone locally do any major work on any of my cars. I own a business and how can anyone say " Oh, he's a great guy just made some bad choices." I do not know this guy but just reading all the replies to this thread tells me he either 1. he didn't know how to run a business and therefore failed, or 2. was just out to ride a short wave and get the hell out of here afterwards and set up shop in a new town.

[fatkid]

Omg Enough Is Enough T Or Tony Or Whoever Lock This Thread!!!!!!!!

[Tally TransAm]

rufaast and racer1269 are fuggen retards

[fatkid]

rufaast and racer1269 are fuggen retards



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[T]

and with a swing of the wand :bloodninj its locked