ordered the blower finally ^^

[tedness]

i ended up placing the order through my checking account after all and it should be here next week or so. went with the vortech s-trim kit and i'm taking it down in the end of march to be put in/tuned by velocity mustang in orlando. when its all said and done, i'm looking at numbers around 240-250rwhp w/ the proper settings. ^_^ i'll be able to hang with some of our slower members now :P

[BreBar21]

i ended up placing the order through my checking account after all and it should be here next week or so. went with the vortech s-trim kit and i'm taking it down in the end of march to be put in/tuned by velocity mustang in orlando. when its all said and done, i'm looking at numbers around 240-250rwhp w/ the proper settings. ^_^ i'll be able to hang with some of our slower members now :P

250rwhp??? What do 6ers make stock??

[TylerGT]

195

[towelie]

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[Bullhead00]

195

That's 190 at the flywheel though; not at the wheels.

[BreBar21]

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:nono:

[ju015dd]

man i was thinking you could get more with a blower? :wtf:

[Greg Kulbick]

Justin is a good guy. He'll probably be able to squeeze more out of it as well.

[ExtremeMT]

But thats at the wheels...that V6 is probably putting out closer to 300 at the crank and the right gearing the car can make VERY good use of those numbers...What kinda torque number though? Torque is what is important, not so much hp/ Horse power is just a number that is derived from the torque number and the rpm at which the max torque occurs at. and its the torque which ultimately decides how fast your 60ft and 0-60 times are considering you can get traction with your tires.

[BreBar21]

But thats at the wheels...that V6 is probably putting out closer to 300 at the crank and the right gearing the car can make VERY good use of those numbers...What kinda torque number though? Torque is what is important, not so much hp/ Horse power is just a number that is derived from the torque number and the rpm at which the max torque occurs at. and its the torque which ultimately decides how fast your 60ft and 0-60 times are considering you can get traction with your tires.

Although I appreciate the lesson in horsepower and torque, I think you missed my point. 250rwhp is not very much for what it costs to buy a blower. I would be willing to bet the torque number isn't exactly going to blow anyone away either. I'll be interested to see what the final numbers are after it's tuned. Also, crank horsepower doesn't mean shit.

[sstony]

ted--good stuff man--get it ready for soem track visits after the install.



and its the torque which ultimately decides how fast your 60ft and 0-60 times are considering you can get traction with your tires.
OH--is that what it is. maybe that's why i'm cutting only 2.0's with 319rwtq. that'll also explain why some other LS1's with a bunch more torque are cutting 2.0's and some stangs here are cutting sub 1.8's with way less torque. fill me in somemore on how this acceleration thing works at the track--shit, i dunno, it's probably different when your in a 6 cyl 4x4.

[ExtremeMT]

Nice one smart ass..Torque is a rotational force...The more you have the harder the engine can turns the tires...Torque is basically what allows you to burn your tires....now if you have some nice slicks or drag radials that can lock up on the track and you have alot of torque..the front end of your car can lift instead...the amount of torque and the RPM at which the peak torque are very important...alot of torque at a higher rpm is WORTHLESS on the track...you want a lower rpm peak torque to get the max off the line....Another thing that majorly effects torque is your GEAR ratio....If 2 guys have the exact same Mustant.....only guy B has say......4.10 gears and Guy A has 3.73....Guy B will take Guy A off the line easily but will redline faster and have a lower top end, thats where Guy A has the advantage....you have to find the right gearing for your cars torque AND hp and the rpms the peaks occur at....HP is more or less what effects how high your engine can rev first, and also more or less how quickly the engine can get through the rpms under load.....A 900hp mustang will blow through gears faster then a 400hp mustang.

Cars have different gearing, and torque numbers occur at different rpms....Camaros and Vettes with the LS1s mainly look at their hp numbers to make it an awesome track car (hence the sport suspension) because they are in the upper rpms most of the time on the track and only use torque off the line and out of sharp turns...chevy relys on gearing to give it the off the line accel that it needs.

Torque is JUST as important in a 4wd truck as it is any other car...I need it for climbing and towing....

GG I win

[TylerGT]

..............................
GG I win

You sir are an assbag.

TED: I think its bad ass that your modding the fuck out of your shit. Back in the day when I had a six-shooter I wish I would have had the $ to run a blower....shit TODAY I wish I had the money to run a blower.

[jlaw]

..............................
GG I win

Never attempt to discuss tech again. Please.

[Greg Kulbick]

Nice one smart ass..Torque is a rotational force...The more you have the harder the engine can turns the tires...Torque is basically what allows you to burn your tires....now if you have some nice slicks or drag radials that can lock up on the track and you have alot of torque..the front end of your car can lift instead...the amount of torque and the RPM at which the peak torque are very important...alot of torque at a higher rpm is WORTHLESS on the track...you want a lower rpm peak torque to get the max off the line....Another thing that majorly effects torque is your GEAR ratio....If 2 guys have the exact same Mustant.....only guy B has say......4.10 gears and Guy A has 3.73....Guy B will take Guy A off the line easily but will redline faster and have a lower top end, thats where Guy A has the advantage....you have to find the right gearing for your cars torque AND hp and the rpms the peaks occur at....HP is more or less what effects how high your engine can rev first, and also more or less how quickly the engine can get through the rpms under load.....A 900hp mustang will blow through gears faster then a 400hp mustang.

Cars have different gearing, and torque numbers occur at different rpms....Camaros and Vettes with the LS1s mainly look at their hp numbers to make it an awesome track car (hence the sport suspension) because they are in the upper rpms most of the time on the track and only use torque off the line and out of sharp turns...chevy relys on gearing to give it the off the line accel that it needs.

Torque is JUST as important in a 4wd truck as it is any other car...I need it for climbing and towing....

GG I win

Boy, what would us folks here on the muscle car board do without you? Thanks for the insight, Captain Obvious.

[RACER1269]

[QUOTE=sstony
OH--is that what it is. maybe that's why i'm cutting only 2.0's with 319rwtq. that'll also explain why some other LS1's with a bunch more torque are cutting 2.0's and some stangs here are cutting sub 1.8's with way less torque. fill me in somemore on how this acceleration thing works at the track--shit, i dunno, it's probably different when your in a 6 cyl 4x4.[/QUOTE]


shoot you think a 4x4 v6 truck is good....... wait till ya get a taste of the 4cly 4x4 car ...... i was cutting 1.9 60' and now if i can drive ill be hitting 1.8 maybe even some 1.7 60'ers i only got like 215 tq.... :kinson:

[SloNLo_350]

Nice one smart ass..Torque is a rotational force...The more you have the harder the engine can turns the tires...Torque is basically what allows you to burn your tires....now if you have some nice slicks or drag radials that can lock up on the track and you have alot of torque..the front end of your car can lift instead...the amount of torque and the RPM at which the peak torque are very important...alot of torque at a higher rpm is WORTHLESS on the track...you want a lower rpm peak torque to get the max off the line....Another thing that majorly effects torque is your GEAR ratio....If 2 guys have the exact same Mustant.....only guy B has say......4.10 gears and Guy A has 3.73....Guy B will take Guy A off the line easily but will redline faster and have a lower top end, thats where Guy A has the advantage....you have to find the right gearing for your cars torque AND hp and the rpms the peaks occur at....HP is more or less what effects how high your engine can rev first, and also more or less how quickly the engine can get through the rpms under load.....A 900hp mustang will blow through gears faster then a 400hp mustang.

Cars have different gearing, and torque numbers occur at different rpms....Camaros and Vettes with the LS1s mainly look at their hp numbers to make it an awesome track car (hence the sport suspension) because they are in the upper rpms most of the time on the track and only use torque off the line and out of sharp turns...chevy relys on gearing to give it the off the line accel that it needs.

Torque is JUST as important in a 4wd truck as it is any other car...I need it for climbing and towing....

GG I win
So a diesel truck with 600 lbft of torque and 200 hp is still going to be slow... if you make 1000 lbft of torque, but only make it at 1000 rpm (and it quickly drops off) that is still only 190 hp, which is gonna get you abou 20 feet really quickly until it falls flat on its face, then next gear, less torque being applied to the ground, thus its slower. Ever wonder why a TPI C4 vette is alot slower than an LT1 C4 corvette? they both have 345 lbft of torque, but that LT1 holds the torque well past 4500, but that TPI falls off after 4500. The LT1 can use that 3.06 first gear (we'll use the 700R4 to keep things consistant) for alot longer than that TPI vette can. That, my self-righteous asshat of a friend, is horsepower!!

Or an awesome analogy i saw once was comparing a water mill to an LT1. If that mill is 15 feet in diameter and moved by say one cubic foot of water (66 lbs) that is 990 lbft of torque, however that mill is moving very slowly, say 10 rev/min. That comes out to about 1.88hp, not impressive at all. BUT if you attach an LT1 to that mill, and gear it down to 1 rev/min making 300 hp that is:
(300hp*5252)/10 = that is 15700 some odd lbft of torque, which can do alot more work than 990 lbft can, thus more force, and we all know F=ma, so suck it bitch, you lose asshat!!!

So i guess what we learned here (that everyone who knows the first thing about horsepower already knew) was that torque is an instantaneous number that is completely useless as far as the total 1/4 mile is concerned. HP is simply torque applied over time, and last i checked, TIME is what mattered most at the strip.

[sstony]

GG I win

you need to discuss this further with X. let us know when you have more seat time and you actually know wtf you are talking about. comprende

[slowLX]

man i was thinking you could get more with a blower? :wtf:it's about a percent of power already in the motor. this is what ricers never understand. they always think if they put a turbo on their 105 hp civic that they will get 400 whp. not going to happen. i got into an argument today with some douche-bag in my math class about this.

this is what i overheard: guy in class talking to other guy in class: "hey i ordered a turbo for my civic" "oh yeah, thats awesome, what have you already done to it again?" "C-A-I, and catback" "what kind of power will that turbo make?" "i should be at around 400 horsepower" then i stepped in and explained the way back to reality, they were a little lost
:rice:-->>:mike:

[SloNLo_350]

awe, i wish i was in that class... that would be awesome!! i wanna be able to make fun of rices during class!!

[ExtremeMT]

Well I wouldnt have done that if tony wasnt a smart ass about what i said the first time for one....then make a slight insult about the fact that A) I have a V6, and B) Its 4wd..... Ontop of that his post made torque seem insignificant to hp and basically say Im wrong....If those werent the intentions should have been reworded.

I understand the whole diesal scene and how smooth curves are desired....But a diesal truck (like a dump truck) isnt designed to have a smooth curve or be fast...it was designed to get a VERY large load moving from a stop or up a hill, hence the insane amount of torque but little hp...The motors with the long strokes and high compression ratios are tuned for high torque numbers with the sacrifice of hp...They dont care if the engine revs high or if it can go through the rpms it does have fast...they care about moving the most they can (thus heavy) in the truck......

Torque is more important like I said yes....but like you said you want a smooth curve and one that holds a peak for a while....not just like 2 rpms...lol
Torque only matters off the line and right where your rpm falls when you shift....other then that all you really wanna care about is HP. Im not saying hp numbers are worthless....because if 2 mustangs both have 351rwtq but one has 400hp and one has 500hp to the wheels at say.....3,500rpms....the car with 500hp is not only gonna have a better 60ft cause of faster rpm accel. but it will also get to a higher speed and down the track faster....considering gears and all are the same in each car...I know yall know this but tony's first response "seemed" like he was completely refuting what I said the first time.

[slowLX]

Well I wouldnt have done that if tony wasnt a smart ass about what i said the first time for one....then make a slight insult about the fact that A) I have a V6, and B) Its 4wd..... Ontop of that his post made torque seem insignificant to hp and basically say Im wrong....If those werent the intentions should have been reworded.
it's hard to sympathize with you since this is a muscle car forum and you lack one. when i had a v6 4x4 (which i still do if anyone wants to buy it) i rarely posted, cause i felt out of place, which i was/you are. but i had an interest in muscle cars so i stuck around to learn from these guys not to teach any of them something. (i.e. don't give lessons to people who might know more about it than you, and damn you let chase own you and he's a moron! :owned: )

[01COBRA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v517/blown01cobra/btch_slapped.jpg

[CrazyBosnian]

Nice one smart ass..Torque is a rotational force...The more you have the harder the engine can turns the tires...Torque is basically what allows you to burn your tires....now if you have some nice slicks or drag radials that can lock up on the track and you have alot of torque..the front end of your car can lift instead...the amount of torque and the RPM at which the peak torque are very important...alot of torque at a higher rpm is WORTHLESS on the track...you want a lower rpm peak torque to get the max off the line....Another thing that majorly effects torque is your GEAR ratio....If 2 guys have the exact same Mustant.....only guy B has say......4.10 gears and Guy A has 3.73....Guy B will take Guy A off the line easily but will redline faster and have a lower top end, thats where Guy A has the advantage....you have to find the right gearing for your cars torque AND hp and the rpms the peaks occur at....HP is more or less what effects how high your engine can rev first, and also more or less how quickly the engine can get through the rpms under load.....A 900hp mustang will blow through gears faster then a 400hp mustang.

Cars have different gearing, and torque numbers occur at different rpms....Camaros and Vettes with the LS1s mainly look at their hp numbers to make it an awesome track car (hence the sport suspension) because they are in the upper rpms most of the time on the track and only use torque off the line and out of sharp turns...chevy relys on gearing to give it the off the line accel that it needs.

Torque is JUST as important in a 4wd truck as it is any other car...I need it for climbing and towing....

GG I win

All i heard was: blah blah blablabla blah blah blahablaha blah.

[luv_my_z28]

ive seen articles on v6 stangs running nothing but a blower and hitting mid 13's with it. Not bad for what it is. Good luck with it man, i miss my v6 :(

[96s10]

All i heard was: blah blah blablabla blah blah blahablaha blah.

i think this says it better.

http://www.stang.cc/tmcaalbums/internet-stuff/hush.gif

[BreBar21]

GG I win

Aren't you still grounded??

[fatkid]

So a diesel truck with 600 lbft of torque and 200 hp is still going to be slow... if you make 1000 lbft of torque, but only make it at 1000 rpm (and it quickly drops off) that is still only 190 hp, which is gonna get you abou 20 feet really quickly until it falls flat on its face, then next gear, less torque being applied to the ground, thus its slower. Ever wonder why a TPI C4 vette is alot slower than an LT1 C4 corvette? they both have 345 lbft of torque, but that LT1 holds the torque well past 4500, but that TPI falls off after 4500. The LT1 can use that 3.06 first gear (we'll use the 700R4 to keep things consistant) for alot longer than that TPI vette can. That, my self-righteous asshat of a friend, is horsepower!!

Or an awesome analogy i saw once was comparing a water mill to an LT1. If that mill is 15 feet in diameter and moved by say one cubic foot of water (66 lbs) that is 990 lbft of torque, however that mill is moving very slowly, say 10 rev/min. That comes out to about 1.88hp, not impressive at all. BUT if you attach an LT1 to that mill, and gear it down to 1 rev/min making 300 hp that is:
(300hp*5252)/10 = that is 15700 some odd lbft of torque, which can do alot more work than 990 lbft can, thus more force, and we all know F=ma, so suck it bitch, you lose asshat!!!

So i guess what we learned here (that everyone who knows the first thing about horsepower already knew) was that torque is an instantaneous number that is completely useless as far as the total 1/4 mile is concerned. HP is simply torque applied over time, and last i checked, TIME is what mattered most at the strip.
The lack of HP dont help either. :nono: 240!!!! YEAH!!! Fck TPI. But chase is right my Tq wont hold past 3500-3700 RPMS after i hit that the car feels realllll slluggish.

[ExtremeMT]

Fine yall want me gone since this isnt "my place"...then Im gone.

[cary00silve]

it's hard to sympathize with you since this is a muscle car forum and you lack one. when i had a v6 4x4 (which i still do if anyone wants to buy it) i rarely posted, cause i felt out of place, which i was/you are. but i had an interest in muscle cars so i stuck around to learn from these guys not to teach any of them something. (i.e. don't give lessons to people who might know more about it than you, and damn you let chase own you and he's a moron! :owned: )
I hope you're not hatin on us truck guys...

[tedness]

lots of animosity in this thread.

anyways heres what i was told with the right tune and gears by my installer:

mid 13's and about 250rwhp if i don't upgrade the 38lb injectors that come with the blower.

i found some info on other v6ers running new heads, a cam, and headers only and they put out 230-250rwhp. if i do those modifications afterward i'm looking at around 300-320rwhp. (that'll be sometime during college next couple years)

[96s10]

i guess its just me but for the amount of money that you're going to spend on all of this, you could easily swap in a v8 and have a much better platform for making more power.

[tedness]

ya but i'm not in it exclusively for power. i want it to be different and not just another v6 swapped to a v8. by making it a blown v6 i'll be different and have a lil more power.

plus when all is said and done, i'll be makin more power sooner for less than i would with a v8 2v.

[Spinner]

Aren't you still grounded??

Stallowned :owned:

[96s10]

ya but i'm not in it exclusively for power. i want it to be different and not just another v6 swapped to a v8. by making it a blown v6 i'll be different and have a lil more power.

plus when all is said and done, i'll be makin more power sooner for less than i would with a v8 2v.

how much is the blower gonna run you if you dont mind me asking?

[SloNLo_350]

"Infinity Bajillion dollars"

[BreBar21]

Stallowned :owned:

You rang??

http://www.stang.cc/tmcaalbums/album59/stallowned.jpg

[SloNLo_350]

I hope you're not hatin on us truck guys...
he is just hatin on the trucks because he got OWNED Thursday night by a 4200 lb truck on horrid street tires with a 3000 stall and a slipping transmission.

[BreBar21]

"Infinity Bajillion dollars"

:funny:

"Cooommmeeee ooonnn, Coooooommmmeeee ooooooonnnn."

[SloNLo_350]

"I like your spirit but I think a real number would be more effective. All in favor of fining the Eldorado tobacco company $100,000,000 say aye"
"But that will bankrupt us!"
"Oh, you mean like you morally bankrupted our country? Thanks for the zinger guys, now give me something snappy to go out on"
"Sorry our lunch just got here"

"Uh... that's my momma!"

[BreBar21]

"You may have killed her when you shoved all those dollar bills down her throat, you may have killed her when you hit her with the stool ...I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But I'll tell you what didn't kill her...smoking."

[96s10]

god people could you just stop whoring every thread??

[T]

"smoking yet?"

[SloNLo_350]

"Geez Lois, he's one! Cut the umbilical cord!"

[tedness]

how much is the blower gonna run you if you dont mind me asking?

the cost of it was $3600 and i'm getting a 'hookup' for a dynotune w/ an sct chip in there. so when all is said and done it's still a helluva lot less than a swap for more power.

[SloNLo_350]

How about a CAR swap? you could sell the V6 buy an older V8 and put a blower on that and be ALOT faster. Sell it and but an 88 LX or something, if you can find one.

[tedness]

ya i'd have done that if the car was exclusively under my name. plus i woulda had to pay it off first. i've dumped more money in mods to the car than payments.

[slowLX]

How about a CAR swap? you could sell the V6 buy an older V8 and put a blower on that and be ALOT faster. Sell it and but an 88 LX or something, if you can find one.
:headbang: :alf: :alf: :headbang:

:bowdown:5.0 > blown sixer (well mabye not at first, but you can only take that sixer so far)

[SloNLo_350]

The more important thing is, blown 5.0 > Blown sixer. not to mention with the money spent on that sixer, you could get heads and a cam and gears on top of that blower for the 5.0!!

[tedness]

all i see is "get a v8 blah blah blah" ;)

i'm trying to be different and not like everyone else.

i know the v6 is limited, but i've seen some impressive numbers on them. keep in mind i'm going for more power, not blow f-bodys away power just enough to make it into the 13's.

[slowLX]

all i see is "get a v8 blah blah blah" ;)

i'm trying to be different and not like everyone else.
have fun but when you top that thing out at like 270hp and then blow it up by adding more boast trying to find more power don't come-a-crying to us.

[tedness]

have fun but when you top that thing out at like 270hp and then blow it up trying to up by adding more boast don't come-a-crying to us.

the v6 is very capable of much more than that. i'll have to forge the internals to see much higher than that but i've seen a twin turbo v6 run 400rwhp plus.

[slowLX]

the v6 is very capable of much more than that. i'll have to forge the internals to see much higher than that but i've seen a twin turbo v6 run 400rwhp plus.
the point is once your car is faster you will get bored and want it even faster. it's like a disease. you are about to catch it. problem is you are also about to top that car out. the parts and mods cost roughly the same for a v6(if not more for sixer parts) as a v8 (5.0) but you get faster sooner and with better reliability with the v8.
you should have taken that money and paid that car off, then modded it, or sold it. get the debt out from under you first

[towelie]

Hey look its DENNIS FRANZ
O yeah the blown V6 is going to own me and you travis so who cares

[fatkid]

Hey look its DENNIS FRANZ
LMAO OMG wow that was great.

[tedness]

definately a nice mood modifier

[towelie]

Dennis Franz always does that

[96s10]

just thought i'd throw this out there

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7954619381&category=33615

[slowLX]

O yeah the blown V6 is going to own me and you travis so who carestrue true.