New toy

[SATAN]

I got a Kenne Bell, I got a Kenne Bell. Also got a new MAF, fuel pumps, SCT program, and a set of 60# injectors. I'm putting it on Sunday, providing I get the wiring harness that mates up to the 60lbers in time. Then the friday after that I'm going back to JMS to get it tuned with the 15# pulley. Then I'll be able to spin the tires in ALL the gears!!!! I can't freakin wait. :wicked:

[Tally TransAm]

i heard through the grape vine this was happening.

thats fuggen badass

[SATAN]

Hell, I just want to see if I can get kicked out of SGMP since the car has absoutley NO safety equipment!!

[towelie]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thts impossible you could run your full drag car with no cage slicks no shoes shorts break yuor drivshaft and the track guys will help you push it of the track and not even say a word.

[Gt]

actually last time at the track, they made me where a helmet :(

[SloNLo_350]

Just so long as they don't make me wear a helmet after I get the nitrous on... otherwise I'll have to pull a Dan and go beg for one at the tower :mrgreen:.

[TylerGT]

I got a Kenne Bell, I got a Kenne Bell. Also got a new MAF, fuel pumps, SCT program, and a set of 60# injectors. I'm putting it on Sunday, providing I get the wiring harness that mates up to the 60lbers in time. Then the friday after that I'm going back to JMS to get it tuned with the 15# pulley. Then I'll be able to spin the tires in ALL the gears!!!! I can't freakin wait. :wicked:

Put it on a Road Course!!!!!!

[sstony]

Awesome--11's Fo' Sho'

[Bullhead00]

That's awesome man! Is it a 2.2L or 2.4L?? What kinda numbers are you expecting on the dyno?

[SATAN]

That's awesome man! Is it a 2.2L or 2.4L?? What kinda numbers are you expecting on the dyno?


2.2L and I'm shooting for 600+ RWHP at 15psi and pump gas.

[boostedsvt]

not trying to sound like a ass, but you won't get 600+ @ 15 psi.
it will take @19 to get 600.
15 should put you around 550 whp.
you will love the KB.


i dyno 601 sae @ 19 psi and pump gas.(2.2 KB)
my friend with the same 2.2 @ 19 psi put down 612 sae.

[Gt]

not trying to sound like a ass, but you won't get 600+ @ 15 psi.
it will take @19 to get 600.
15 should put you around 550 whp.
you will love the KB.


i dyno 601 sae @ 19 psi and pump gas.(2.2 KB)
my friend with the same 2.2 @ 19 psi put down 612 sae.
Who did your tuning?

[boostedsvt]

james(rwtd)

[01COBRA]

:funny::funny: I think he will hit 600 rwhp with JMS tuning.

[01COBRA]

not trying to sound like a ass, but you won't get 600+ @ 15 psi.
it will take @19 to get 600.
15 should put you around 550 whp.
you will love the KB.


i dyno 601 sae @ 19 psi and pump gas.(2.2 KB)
my friend with the same 2.2 @ 19 psi put down 612 sae.


What is your timing and how high is the car being spun.

[TurboL67]

remeber me when selling the 112!

[BreBar21]

:funny::funny: I think he will hit 600 rwhp with JMS tuning.

I'm with stupid.

[boostedsvt]

18 timimng, 12.0 A/f, i feel James(rwtd) did a great job on the tune, it is good and safe, and that is what i wanted. he tunes alot of cobras so i feel he knows what he is doing.

not knocking anybodys tuning or trying to talk trash, but if he gets 600+ on 15psi and pump gas and no n02, he will be the first and only to do that.
i wish him luck.

[Blwn04]

You will not make 600+ at the wheels no matter who tunes it at only 15lbs of boost. I have had JMS tune some of my cars, but they won't get that much out of 15lbs. Maybe 560-570 if the air is right while tuning. I made only 570 with a 17lb and had to step it up to a 19lb to join the 600 club. Good luck with it, you will love the new found power of the KB either way.

[Spinner]

Cobras are slow.

[SATAN]

And it's on!!! Question though, what is the correct part # for the SVT Focus fuel pump? I just want to make sure the ones I have are the correct pumps. I was taking a look at the factory pumps while I had the tank down today and I'm not sure how the focus pumps are supposed to install, nor am I sure how to wire them. Does anyone know where I can find this info? Oh yeah, thanks to Bryant lent a much needed hand during the install and of course had the injector adapters that I needed, and Brett and Tyler swung by and tossed in a little as well. Moochas Grassyass.

[BreBar21]

And it's on!!! Question though, what is the correct part # for the SVT Focus fuel pump? I just want to make sure the ones I have are the correct pumps. I was taking a look at the factory pumps while I had the tank down today and I'm not sure how the focus pumps are supposed to install, nor am I sure how to wire them. Does anyone know where I can find this info? Oh yeah, thanks to Bryant lent a much needed hand during the install and of course had the injector adapters that I needed, and Brett and Tyler swung by and tossed in a little as well. Moochas Grassyass.

lol. I didn't do shit. I just stood there and bullshitted.

[SATAN]

lol. I didn't do shit. I just stood there and bullshitted.


Ok, sorry, correction, Brett came by and hindered progress. I really was trying to be nice, but you called my bluff.

[BreBar21]

Ok, sorry, correction, Brett came by and hindered progress. I really was trying to be nice, but you called my bluff.

Much better. :tu:

[01COBRA]

Very interesting install to say the least. I learned some new points about the 03-04 cobras that I did not know before. I will have pics and a video up in a few.

[BreBar21]

Very interesting install to say the least. I learned some new points about the 03-04 cobras that I did not know before. I will have pics and a video up in a few.

I told you they were factory supercharged, but you wouldn't listen. I'm glad you finally came around. :mrgreen:

[01COBRA]

:funny::funny: Yea, I just could not for the life of me trust someone that has a IRS.

[01COBRA]

Also for all those that think it can not be done here is a 2.2kb o3 that put down 614 with only 16 PSI.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165898

[BreBar21]

Also for all those that think it can not be done here is a 2.2kb o3 that put down 614 with only 16 PSI.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165898

That shit is made up. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!!!!! :mrgreen:

[01COBRA]

Hey Lloyd, here is the intake i was talking about.

http://jlttruecoldair.com/Products.htm

[Gt]

http://www.blownstangs.com/misc/2005/p51/p51-jlt.jpg

JLT is nice, but it is also just a PVC pipe that is joined nicely and painted.

[boostedsvt]

that is not sae#'s
big differance with the cold weather up in NJ where is is from.

[01COBRA]

that is not sae#'s
big differance with the cold weather up in NJ where is is from.
How do you know if it is SAE corrected or not?

[boostedsvt]

i dont, but everybody with a 03 cobra and a KB 2.2 under 17psi don't make 600 sae.
even KB web site says you will not make 600 @ 15.
not trying to start shit, i just don't want him to get his hopes up, and than get let down on the dyno. he should make around 550 or so sae, that is still very good numbers.

if he wants 600+ just put the 19 psi on it, and ride.
i run on 19 psi all day long(pump gas), tim(blwn03) does the same.
there are two more KB 03 cobra in crestview that run 17psi and are making 588 and 582 hp sae.

[01COBRA]

i dont, but everybody with a 03 cobra and a KB 2.2 under 17psi don't make 600 sae.
even KB web site says you will not make 600 @ 15.
not trying to start shit, i just don't want him to get his hopes up, and than get let down on the dyno. he should make around 550 or so sae, that is still very good numbers.

if he wants 600+ just put the 19 psi on it, and ride.
i run on 19 psi all day long(pump gas), tim(blwn03) does the same.
there are two more KB 03 cobra in crestview that run 17psi and are making 588 and 582 hp sae.
What are your supporting mods. Do you have longtubes? What kind of intake do you run? What was the weather like when you dynoed (i.e. was it hot/ humid / cold )? How conservative is your tune? As far as i know and what i have read 18 PSI is suppose to be the limit for the street on pump gas with a performance tune.


EDIT: KB was using a completely stock car for their dyno process.

[boostedsvt]

kb bap, 60 injectors, 10 k&n, x-pipe( no cats ), cat back
tune is safe 12.0 a/f. 18 timing
stock pumps only at 85 % duty cycle.

19 psi, and its running fine, when it cold i see 20 psi.

when i dynoed it was 70 F, hum ? it was a pretty day.

[Gt]

bah, enough bench dyno'ing! Get it to the dyno and track! :)

[01COBRA]

Well longtubes would put you at over 600rwhp with a kb at 16 psi -17 psi.

Stock pumps at only %80 duty you just stated that you have a BAP. What is the BAP set on?

[towelie]

BAP=Black american princesses ????????

[01COBRA]

BAP = kenne bell boost-a-pump

EDIT: which can cause the fuel pumps to burn out very quickly.

[towelie]

BAP = kenne bell boost-a-pump

:tu: thank you

[yellosnake]

BAP = kenne bell boost-a-pump

EDIT: which can cause the fuel pumps to burn out very quickly.

The BAP only over drives the pumps when under boost so most people won't burn them up. I've had mine on for months and have had no problems. Talk to Broke as well, he beats the shit out of his car and his BAP works fine. BTW he runs 6.7x's in the 1/8 with a car he drives everyday. I think the focus pumps are overkill unless you plan on building a 800+ rwhp car.

[01COBRA]

The BAP only over drives the pumps when under boost so most people won't burn them up. I've had mine on for months and have had no problems. Talk to Broke as well, he beats the shit out of his car and his BAP works fine. BTW he runs 6.7x's in the 1/8 with a car he drives everyday. I think the focus pumps are overkill unless you plan on building a 800+ rwhp car.
If you are running a duty cycle of only 80% of the pumps then why have the BAP it is no use. It is made to extend the limits of the pumps no just be there as a back up.

[yellosnake]

If you are running a duty cycle of only 80% of the pumps then why have the BAP it is no use. It is made to extend the limits of the pumps no just be there as a back up.

You really don't know too much about the BAP do you? You are right about the 80% part though. If your friend is running 16psi with a KB he will need a fuel system upgrade, focus pumps cost more and are not as effective as a BAP.

[01COBRA]

No, I don't know there whole reason, but I know they increase voltage to the pumps which inturn increase fuel flow. What info can you give me to make justifying a BAP at 80% duty cycle even worth running them.



Focus pumps not as effective, HA you must be a idiot they out flow the 03 pumps by like 50 to 60 LPH and the aviator pumps flow even more than that.

[yellosnake]

No, I don't know there whole reason, but I know they increase voltage to the pumps which inturn increase fuel flow. What info can you give me to make justifying a BAP at 80% duty cycle even worth running them.

Who is running their pumps at 80% and what are the mods. That will help me explain this better.

[yellosnake]

Focus pumps not as effective, HA you must be a idiot they out flow the 03 pumps by like 50 to 60 LPH and the aviator pumps flow even more than that.

They aren't vs stock pumps and a BAP. If they are so great why aren't more people using them. Maybe you need to spend more time around guys with high HP cobra's and learn something.


edit: read this clown
http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/BAPsvtFocus_kens.pdf

[01COBRA]

This is why the stock pumps go faster! You are increasing the output of the pumps by almost double there flow output.

Also refer to post #36 for the guy that is running 85% duty cycle on the stock pumps with a BAP.

[yellosnake]

This is why the stock pumps go faster! You are increasing the output of the pumps by almost double there flow output.

Also refer to post #36 for the guy that is running 85% duty cycle on the stock pumps with a BAP.


He keeps the pumps running at that duty cycle because that's where the tuner wanted them. If he didn't have a bap the car would go lean, and guess what, kaboom. If you are so sold on the focus pump setup go get some and I'll spank that ass with my stock pump setup and bap.


this is from the tuner

Also, on your BAP setting, you will want to log RPM and FP (Fuel Pump Duty Cycle) with your Predator's diagnostics on FAST mode. 49.9% is maxed (50% x 2 pumps = 100%). You will want to shoot for around a 10 to 15% leeway, so set your BAP to whatever will give you a FP% of around 42.5% to 45%. I suspect this will be a setting on the BAP around 10 to 20% max.

Sincerely,

James

[fatkid]

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/2230/drama8up.jpg

[01COBRA]

Now you really are a douche I have a 01 cobra VS a 03 what a fucking tard.

Oh and by the way not once does it state in that article you posted about shortening the life of the pumps. Kenne bell is bias just like most companies out there.

I have 03 tank and pumps in my car. I had them when I was blown and I did not have to use a BAP or upgrade to focus pumps.

Where did I say that I am sold on them you moron reread all the posts i just stated that the BAP will burn up 03 stock pumps and it will.

[SloNLo_350]

I think it was Brett who said it... all the Cobra guys from back home post on here SOLELY to call bullshit on random ass stuff, and complain about Brett getting Jared's wheels. Why don't yall make a NORMAL post sometime. Participate is a non argumenative conversation sometime.

[yellosnake]

Now you really are a douche I have a 01 cobra VS a 03 what a fucking tard.

Oh and by the way not once does it state in that article you posted about shortening the life of the pumps. Kenne bell is bias just like most companies out there.

I have 03 tank and pumps in my car. I had them when I was blown and I did not have to use a BAP or upgrade to focus pumps.

Where did I say that I am sold on them you moron reread all the posts i just stated that the BAP will burn up 03 stock pumps and it will.

no it won't, give me a min dick cheese and i'll find it for you.

[01COBRA]

Wow is that the best you can do I am done with you.

Fucking tard

[yellosnake]

read

http://www.kennebell.net/techinfo/general-info/BAPtheory_kens.pdf

[yellosnake]

Wow is that the best you can do I am done with you.

Fucking tard

thank you, please drive thru

[01COBRA]

Swing and a miss. come back when you are better you idiot.

Do you not understand that Kenne bell is biased on certain products they sell they are noth going to say yes this will kill you pumps in this amount of time. They just leave shit out or don't give the complete story.

[Greg Kulbick]

How about some info on Kenne Bell products not from the Kenne Bell website?

[yellosnake]

Swing and a miss. come back when you are better you idiot.

Do you not understand that Kenne bell is biased on certain products they sell they are noth going to say yes this will kill you pumps in this amount of time. They just leave shit out or don't give the complete story.


Ok, so why are so many high hp cobras running stock pumps with a bap?

[yellosnake]

How about some info on Kenne Bell products not from the Kenne Bell website?


I was trying to give him first hand info from my exp with the kb bap, but he wanted proof. I'm not going to argue about this anymore, if you don't think what I am saying is true visit www.modularfords.com or www.svtperformance.com and do a search. See what all these high hp cobra guys are running.

[01COBRA]

Never overlook voltage variations. 1 Volt is 10% fuel capacity. The Boost-A-Pump is also a
voltage regulator and therefore compensates for voltage fluctuations in your electrical system.
And, contrary to the opinions of some, the BAP will actually INCREASE the life of the pumps
because they do not have to work as hard with the increased voltage and amperage supplied by
the BAP (see our post at http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7819 - LOOK
AT THE CHARTS). Note how much LESS duty cycle is imposed on the pump when the BAP is
used? LESS DUTY CYCLE = LONGER PUMP LIFE.

This is what I have been looking for so i could be wrong but until I read more or get to play with one I will not believe what kenne bell states on there website or in other forums.

[01COBRA]

Modular fords HA that site is worthless and SVTperformance is on its way out the door also.

[01COBRA]

Failure of pumps caused by the BAP are non-existent. They are as reliable as the sunset,

If this is not bias then I don't know what is then.

[yellosnake]

Here is a guy running 830rwhp-880rwtq SAE with stock pumps and a BAP. He also has upgraded fuel lines, rails, and filter.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/00svtdubs
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24914&highlight=BAP

[slmdLS1]

Swing and a miss..

get your own material.

[01COBRA]

You really are a retard that was not the point of this disagreement. I stated and I STATE AGAIN that with a BAP you are more likely to burn up the OEM pumps. If you wanted to you could also add the BAP to focus pumps or Aviator pumps the same shit applies it will increase performance of the pumps but the pumps are more likely to burn up. I know what the pumps are capable off. I know what focus pumps and aviator pumps are capable of so what is your point. I know who SVTdubs is and I know what his mods are.

[01COBRA]

get your own material.
I don't see a copyright on it. :finger:

[broke]

Im the FNG here, just registered so I may be out of bounds on this already "aggitated thread" . I drive my car daily ( 03 Cobra) , it has over 25k on it, and it has had a BAP on it since the 13k mile mark, and I boost and beat the shit out of itdaily. It has the 5psi hobbs switch on it.

I am having no problems with my car as it sets. If longevity is at question, I dont have any issues with "burning up" pumps, nor have I heard of any of the many 03/04 owners who are using a BAP having such a problem. Just sharing my experiences...

[T]

wow this thread is silly. :96s10: I personally wouldnt run returnless style when getting close to 600+, but you dont HAVE to switch. Some things work for some people, some dont. Whats all the fuss about?

[Z06BoZ]

i also have the BAP no problems thus far.

[Slow ET]

best pussy voice...

"hey fellas... im in an internet fight, come quickly and back me up" :roll:

[Greg Kulbick]

I'd rather get my information from someone who has tried just about every setup there is, instead of someone trying to sell me something.

[slmdLS1]

I don't see a copyright on it. :finger:


its just lame. like all the mc bullshit. im not looking to patent it or anything dicktard.

[Z06BoZ]

ive also never even heard of using focus pumps anybody have a link to that?

[BreBar21]

its just lame. like all the mc bullshit. WE are not looking to patent it or anything dicktard.

50% ownership, slut. Where's my check?

[BreBar21]

ive also never even heard of using focus pumps anybody have a link to that?

Check SVTP, Corral, ModFords, etc. There are a whole bunch of people using them.

[Greg Kulbick]

If you want high HP fuel info, www.modularpowerhouse.com