"BEWM"

[TurboL67]

says a piston or two.

forged pistons + front mount IC in the works.

[J8127]

says a piston or two.

forged pistons + front mount IC in the works.

See Travis, I wasn't lieing.

Dan - forged pistons and rods = 30psi :wicked:

[Tally TransAm]

damn

i didnt even get to whoop you from a 40 punch yet

i was giving you another 2-3 weeks before it popped

[brandboZ28]

Youre supposed to tune it, Dan.

[luv_my_z28]

already? that was fast. Maybe i missed it, but how strong did it feel till then?

[JCswm]

I thought the PCM would melt first!!

[Rotorocious]

Sorry about the luck.

[TurboL67]

jeremy and i believe the reason it let go is because the IC water was heat soked.. as we all know; hot boost = KR = boom. it let go at 13psi.

I have a buddy in valdosta that has a set of forged ones for me at a good price.

it's also getting 2000 l67 heads with light port/polish job and whatever else i can afford.

[lsevenl]

sorry to hear man :( that sux. I know how hard it is to wait...

[lunati397]

well Dan we are in a club where you have to blow it once before you can get real good but from the sound of it It doesnt sound like and blown engine just maybe a bearing or just a piston from how you described it

ive spun bearing and blown engines to know this
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/546000-546999/546702_56_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/546000-546999/546702_57_full.jpg

[J8127]

jeremy and i believe the reason it let go is because the IC water was heat soked.. as we all know; hot boost = KR = boom. it let go at 13psi.

I have a buddy in valdosta that has a set of forged ones for me at a good price.

it's also getting 2000 l67 heads with light port/polish job and whatever else i can afford.

Stattama stage 4 turbo cam, up the boost to about 25, and shoot for 10's.


oh and Mark, it was "fast as fuck"

[lunati397]

get one of those new LS1 front drive engines

[BreBar21]

That sucks, Dan. It's just an excuse to build it stronger. Shit happens, eh?

Oh yeah, thanks for the torque wrench.

[slowLX]

I have a buddy in valdosta that has a set of forged ones for me at a good price.

it's also getting 2000 l67 heads with light port/polish job and whatever else i can afford.you forgot to say forged rods.......you need forged rods too.

[TurboL67]

you forgot to say forged rods.......you need forged rods too.


nope.

[lunati397]

as I shake my head and look down YES Danny If you are going forged for strength RODS are a MUST all the pistons will do is keep you from burning holes in them from running lean RODs are a key part that will make your rotating assy much stronger

I am not positive but as far as I know you block is a 350 block just cut short 2 cyl and 350 parts should work with you assy which in that case get some 6.0 inch rods for better balance

Just hope that its not a blown rod or piston and the cylinder walls are still intact and not scored beyond .030 over bore

[slowLX]

nope.then i predict it to blow-up August 16th


and i would like to add that when we were guessing your original blow-up date i said my birthday (yesterday 6/28 ) and i was only one day off

[J8127]

The only "forged" rods available for the L67 is to put L32 rods in it, and actualy, there have been more people screwing up L32 rods then L67.

[TurboL67]

The only "forged" rods available for the L67 is to put L32 rods in it, and actualy, there have been more people screwing up L32 rods then L67.

yep. we don't need them until ~600hp.

[lunati397]

well with 20 psi how much power do you think you will be getting you are getting up there id see it as Preventative maitanance

[slowLX]

yep. we don't need them until ~600hp.http://www.cardomain.com/ride/567477 this dude got forged rods

[J8127]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/567477 this dude got forged rods

well you know what?

http://www.users.on.net/~doufas/owned/kool-aid.JPG

[lunati397]

lmao thats funny as hell

[fatkid]

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/567477 this dude got forged rods
So he has the forged rods and your point would be??



he also has a complete bullet proof engine rebuild and runs 13's.

[slowLX]

So he has the forged rods and your point would be??well x told me they don't make them. he said they only make them for l36's. and i would assume x and dan have the same source of information, thus dan might think they don't make them.

[fatkid]

well x told me they don't make them. he said they only make them for l36's. and i would assume x and dan have the same source of information, thus dan might think they don't make them.
So X is right because if they only make them for the L36 which has the same length and dimensions as the L67 then the L36 Forged rods from "GM" like said on car domain will work. The only difference internally on the L67 from the L36 is the piston height and cam gear. While the piston height is creating a 9.5:1 in the L36 compared to the 8.5:1 compression on the L67. So even if they only make them for the L36 they will fit in the L67 just fine.

[J8127]

well x told me they don't make them. he said they only make them for l36's. and i would assume x and dan have the same source of information, thus dan might think they don't make them.


You misunderstood me. The thing u linked me to was an L36 stroker kit, which wont work in an L67 without switching to weaker pistons. He could get forged L36 pistons to go with it like you said, but would be better off going with some 8:1 forged L67 pistons and running more boost.

If the L67 rods top out at 600 like he says, I cant imagine the L32 lasting much longer. He could go through the hassle of a custom job, but he doesnt need it.

[slowLX]

but would be better off going with some 8:1 forged L67 pistons .
The only "forged" rods available for the L67 is to put L32 rods in itkinda confusing, one minute they do and one minute they don't make forged rods....?

[J8127]

kinda confusing, one minute they do and one minute they don't make forged rods....?

The L32 is the series III engine, put in the new grand prixs, the rods are "forged" (there forged, but its not like they are that much better) so some people use them when they go with a big turbo or something like that.

Also, you quoted two different things, they make aftermarket PISTONS, but the RODS are just taked out of the newer motors.

[fatkid]

kinda confusing, one minute they do and one minute they don't make forged rods....?
Are you retarded your talking about 2 totally different things. Pistons and rods? Read his post it clearly states 2 totally different things. Forged Pistons which they do make for the L67 and then the forged rods which are made for the L36 but will fit into the L67. Stop arguing with this even I have looked it up your wrong.

[towelie]

All this V6 talk is making me feel light headed :fluffy:

[J8127]

*Insert greg saying "why the fuck are you arguing over a v6? dan sucks" post here*

[01COBRA]

yep. we don't need them until ~600hp.


I feel sorry for you if you run the stock rods with 20+ PSI. BOOM!

[TurboL67]

folks, the only rod failure i have ever heard of is from bearing failure.

[BreBar21]

folks, the only rod failure i have ever heard of is from bearing failure.

By that same token, you have the first turbo'd gtp I've ever heard of.

Food for thought.

But, I'm sure you know more than we do (not trying to be sarcastic) about this particular topic.

[Bullhead00]

Food for thought
That's a resturant in Madison.

[TurboL67]

there a couple of folks running 10s on stock internals.

[slowLX]

Are you retarded your talking about 2 totally different things. Pistons and rods? Read his post it clearly states 2 totally different things. Forged Pistons which they do make for the L67 and then the forged rods which are made for the L36 but will fit into the L67. Stop arguing with this even I have looked it up your wrong.you are the retarded one. they DO make forged rods for L67's which i linked too. and i know the differance between pistons and rods.

[TurboL67]

you are the retarded one. they DO make forged rods for L67's which i linked too.

no, they don't make forged l67 rods.

[slmdLS1]

damn, just got the bike fixed too.

[fatkid]

you are the retarded one. they DO make forged rods for L67's which i linked too. and i know the differance between pistons and rods.
I dont see any link saying forged Rods for the L67 you retard. I see a link saying forged rods for the L36. You need to learn how to read cause if you did you would obviously see that they are interchangeable. Please show me where it says L67 your link says this.
GM forged powdered-metal L36 conecting rods.

So once again STFU you are wrong you have been told by 3 different people now stop trying to argue.

[sstony]

HOLY CRAP--danny that sux. down time will drive you crazy. lemme know when you're back in town and need any rides anywhere.

[4348rd]

HOLY CRAP--danny that sux. down time will drive you crazy. lemme know when you're back in town and need any rides anywhere.
that does suck

[thetastelingers]

:96s10:

bewm is t3h suxxor

[jlaw]

Sorry to hear that, but can't say we didn't see it coming.

[GMMAN]

This is a cut and paste from www.intense-racing.com . This is a description of their "competition ready race block"($3,999.00). It is what they run in their turbo car with 619 hp, running 10.1@139 with 20+ psi of boost.
Bottom line is, nobody has reached the limits of the stock L67 rods, the Intense turbo car used them without any problems until the "much stronger" L32 rods came out and they switched to be safe.




First we take a stock Series II 3800 short block and disassemble and clean it completely. We switch to the much stronger, hot-forged L32 connecting rods and diameter fit and rebuild them with custom ARP rod bolts. The crankshaft is polished and the bellhousing machined for an extra oil feed. The rear oil galley is drilled and tapped for an NPT fitting and oil return holes are drilled into the lifter valley. The balance shaft is removed and it's oil feed hole is drilled, tapped and plugged. Custom ARP head studs are installed and the cylinders are bored to .010" oversize. Then a competition hone job is performed using the INTENSE custom-fabricated align bore hone plate.

[GMMAN]

Sorry to hear that, but can't say we didn't see it coming.
How did you "see it coming"? :roll:

[SloNLo_350]

How did you "see it coming"? :roll:
Turbo + no tune + WOT is what I think he was referring to. Not that it was entirely his fault... he tried to tune it several times.

[BreBar21]

Turbo + no tune + WOT is what I think he was referring to. Not that it was entirely his fault... he tried to tune it several times.

Yeah. We've all heard, "It's all in the tune," and in this case it was all in the lack of tune. It sucks that it happened though.

[TurboL67]

Turbo + no tune + WOT is what I think he was referring to. Not that it was entirely his fault... he tried to tune it several times.


yeah, it was my fault.

[GMMAN]

Turbo + no tune + WOT is what I think he was referring to. Not that it was entirely his fault... he tried to tune it several times.
It was not the fact that it was not "tuned", the computer recognized the boost just fine,(since the car was s/c from the factory). The reason it wasn't running right for the first few weeks was b/c we lowered the gap on the plugs when we shouldn't have. Once Danny swapped them out, the car ran perfect! It was, as Justin said, "Fast as fuck!". I'm positive the reason it popped one or more pistons was b/c he was still running the stock fuel pump and ran out of fuel up top. The stock fuel pump cannot support more than 400 or so hp, which is what the car "should" have been putting out,(based on comparing his setup to turbo kits using stock manifolds and smaller turbos' #'s). He needs a boost-a-pump and 60# injectors.

[BreBar21]

It was not the fact that it was not "tuned", the computer recognized the boost just fine,(since the car was s/c from the factory). The reason it wasn't running right for the first few weeks was b/c we lowered the gap on the plugs when we shouldn't have. Once Danny swapped them out, the car ran perfect! It was, as Justin said, "Fast as fuck!". I'm positive the reason it popped one or more pistons was b/c he was still running the stock fuel pump and ran out of fuel up top. The stock fuel pump cannot support more than 400 or so hp, which is what the car "should" have been putting out,(based on comparing his setup to turbo kits using stock manifolds and smaller turbos' #'s). He needs a boost-a-pump and 60# injectors.

Perfect??? What happened a day later?

Had the car been on a dyno and been tuned, you would have known how much he was making and if he was runing out of fuel.

[TurboL67]

Perfect??? What happened a day later?

Had the car been on a dyno and been tuned, you would have known how much he was making and if he was runing out of fuel.

the computer would have commanded more fuel, if there was more fuel to give.

[GMMAN]

Perfect??? What happened a day later?

Had the car been on a dyno and been tuned, you would have known how much he was making and if he was runing out of fuel.
I'm sure the pcm commanded more fuel, but there wasn't any more to give. Not a "tuning" issue, more of a hardware issue.

[sstony]

you've only been talking about piston replacement--no concerns of main bearing failures or engine cylinder wall damage? is the engine torn down yet?? what kind of noises did ya'll hear or did the engine just quit?

[GMMAN]

Still together @ Nate's house. Dan said Nate thinks its a piston, but doesn't think anything passed into the turbo, so it's all assumption until it gets taken apart.

[BreBar21]

Still together @ Nate's house. Dan said Nate thinks its a piston, but doesn't think anything passed into the turbo, so it's all assumption until it gets taken apart.

Hopefully that's all it is, but it is just a guessing game at this point. Nothing will really be known until it is torn down. Hopefully there isn't any scoring on the cylnder walls, but I think that is a real possiblity.

[sstony]

^^captain obvious?? is that you again?? :lol:

[TurboL67]

nawwwwwwz? :wicked:

[BreBar21]

^^captain obvious?? is that you again?? :lol:

lol. I didn't read what you wrote, punk bitch. I'll fuck you up, hamster style. I don't want to use it and I promised my dad I wouldn't, but if that's what I have to do, so be it.

[rufaast]

Have you done a compression test?
Why didnt you run it last week in HOLT? I saw your car over there. :O)

[TurboL67]

Have you done a compression test?
Why didnt you run it last week in HOLT? I saw your car over there. :O)

sputtering problems. the plug gap was too small. threw bigger gap plugs it and it ran great.

[Greg Kulbick]

it ran great.

then blewed up.

[slmdLS1]

then blewed up.


yeah...ran great by who's standards??

[redmach1]

It seems to be the creed.....the last engine I blew up ran the best it ever had, and then went bye bye.

[J8127]

Like how automatic transmissions make some hardcore shifts just before they go snap

[GMMAN]

Weak Danny. :nono: Only 1. All others were fine.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/540000-540999/540351_33_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/540000-540999/540351_34_full.jpg


Hey Nate, don't try to start Danny's car, it ain't got no plugs in it!

[TurboL67]

then blewed up.

hence the past tense useage of 'run'. :slowet:

[01COBRA]

the computer would have commanded more fuel, if there was more fuel to give.
You are both stupid just because you have tuning software doesn't make you a tuner! A tuner would have known long ago that the fucking car was running out of fuel so it is a tunning "issue" as you so put it. The car was never ment to use a turbo you may have thought it was running good but it wasn't. The stock tune for the supercharger is far from the right tune for a turbo car. Period you fucked up everyone told you it would pop but yet you still pushed your luck.


EDIT: Before you even think about saying you know what you are doing don't because you know nothing.

[slmdLS1]

You are both stupid just because you have tuning software doesn't make you a tuner! A tuner would have known long ago that the fucking car was running out of fuel so it is a tunning "issue" as you so put it. The car was never ment to use a turbo you may have thought it was running good but it wasn't. The stock tune for the supercharger is far from the right tune for a turbo car. Period you fucked up everyone told you it would pop but yet you still pushed your luck.



aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhh hhhhhh!!!!!! im fucking atrocious!!!!!!!!

[01COBRA]

aaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhh hhhhhh!!!!!! im fucking atrocious!!!!!!!!
Go to sleep hoe!

[slmdLS1]

Go to sleep hoe!

......if you tired, be quiet, and go to sleep hoe....

[01COBRA]

......if you tired, be quiet, and go to sleep hoe....
Will you be at the meet B-dawg?

[SloNLo_350]

You are both stupid just because you have tuning software doesn't make you a tuner! A tuner would have known long ago that the fucking car was running out of fuel so it is a tunning "issue" as you so put it. The car was never ment to use a turbo you may have thought it was running good but it wasn't. The stock tune for the supercharger is far from the right tune for a turbo car. Period you fucked up everyone told you it would pop but yet you still pushed your luck.


EDIT: Before you even think about saying you know what you are doing don't because you know nothing.
yeah, I assume the turbo moved more air than the blower (otherwise it wouldn't be a worthwhile mod).

And on the connecting rod subject, this is just a cool read... ↓
http://www.autosteel.org/pdfs/gdis_2004_fatemi.pdf

[GMMAN]

You are both stupid just because you have tuning software doesn't make you a tuner! A tuner would have known long ago that the fucking car was running out of fuel so it is a tunning "issue" as you so put it. The car was never ment to use a turbo you may have thought it was running good but it wasn't. The stock tune for the supercharger is far from the right tune for a turbo car. Period you fucked up everyone told you it would pop but yet you still pushed your luck.
I don't think you know what the fuck you are talking about! When did we ever refer to ourselves as tuners? We knew about the fuel issue before we even started this project. This happens all the time in our cars with the s/c, and this was no different. It was not an issue with the "tune". The pump could not supply enough fuel, end of story.
Dan made a mistake by getting on it one too many times before we could get a working laptop to scan with and see how bad it was, lets not rub it in.

EDIT: Before you even think about saying you know what you are doing don't because you know nothing.
And you do?

[01COBRA]

I don't think you know what the fuck you are talking about! When did we ever refer to ourselves as tuners? We knew about the fuel issue before we even started this project. This happens all the time in our cars with the s/c, and this was no different. It was not an issue with the "tune". The pump could not supply enough fuel, end of story.
Dan made a mistake by getting on it one too many times before we could get a working laptop to scan with and see how bad it was, lets not rub it in.

And you do?
Yea I do... I have done my reasearch and I even did the research when I had my old SC bigger pumps and a good safe tune. Guess what my car still runs to this day.

Now my setup is capable of running low boost now (03 cobra tank and pumps) so when I do my turbo I will upgrade the injectors and maf and trailer the car to JMS to have a streetable low boost setup put on it until I build the block. My project will not be a 2 month throw together it is going to be thought out and all corners will be addressed.

[luv_my_z28]

"why cant we be friends, why cant we be friends" :drunk:

[lunati397]

I offered dan to use mine many times but he didnt want to for some reason or at least to use mine to get the minimal of a good base tune

[GMMAN]

Yea I do... I have done my reasearch and I even did the research when I had my old SC bigger pumps and a good safe tune. Guess what my car still runs to this day.

Now my setup is capable of running low boost now (03 cobra tank and pumps) so when I do my turbo I will upgrade the injectors and maf and trailer the car to JMS to have a streetable low boost setup put on it until I build the block. My project will not be a 2 month throw together it is going to be thought out and all corners will be addressed.
You sure TALK a good game, come to think of it, that's all you do. :roll:
Two month throw together? Now you're just being rude. With all your knowledge of all things automotive, I'm suprised you don't have the fastest car in the world! :shrug: :fluffy:

Hope all your research works out for ya!

[fatkid]

when I do my turbo


In 2008 :flip2:


Bryant that was a lil fucking harsh there. They knew before hand what was wrong. Dan made a the mistake he has admitted to it and no problems. I gaurantee you they have done there research on this and the other cars that have this. Never once did I hear them say they were tuners. And comparing your car to his on yours still running isnt a good comparison as to your engine is built stronger and even has something forged. Honestly give him a brake.




EDIT: No need to take this shit to another site. Like I said on SVT stop acting like he didnt get it tuned on purpose. Each time he went there was a problem so he wasnt able to tune it. And dont act like when you had 569 HP and was rompin on it all over the place people werent sayin you shit is gonna blow. you just got lucky it didnt.


Yea you mean the one that just popped a piston because he didn't get it tuned.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197215&page=3


Post number 59. Dan looks like one of your friends from home was askin about ya.

[GMMAN]

In 2008 :flip2:


Bryant that was a lil fucking harsh there. They knew before hand what was wrong. Dan made a the mistake he has admitted to it and no problems. I gaurantee you they have done there research on this and the other cars that have this. Never once did I hear them say they were tuners. And comparing your car to his on yours still running isnt a good comparison as to your engine is built stronger and even has something forged. Honestly give him a brak.
I think he means when Nate does it for him. He will take care of the research though! :roll:

[GMMAN]

Damn Bryant, you make friends everywhere you go, don't you?
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197215&page=3

[TurboL67]

Bryant, you would have been slapped around a little bit had you came off like you just did in person.

stop posting in this thread.

[01COBRA]

Damn Bryant, you make friends everywhere you go, don't you?
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197215&page=3


One I don't give a shit! Two go to someone else if that tuners is jam fucking packed with work. Three I will be helping Nate build the kit but all the electrical parts, injectors, MAf and misc shit will be through me( so try again).

Chris i was defending Derick in there and i mention what happened sorry if it was harsh but i would get no better treatment either so move along.

Sorry if my post seem irritated because I was needed to vent. You guys knew better than to run on a fuel pump that might not support the power.

Sorry Danny, Jeremy, and chris for me rude remarks.

[BreBar21]

I agree with Bryant. It blew up because it was not tuned and had no fuel. There is a reason people pay out the ass to get their car tuned. It seems simple, but it isn't. I know there were problems with getting the guy to tune it, but at the same time, the car should have never seen 20lbs of boost and gone full throttle untuned and without proper supporting mods. What killed it?? Not enough fuel+no tune+full throttle=boom.

[01COBRA]

Bryant, you would have been slapped around a little bit had you came off like you just did in person.

stop posting in this thread.
SO are you threatning me motherfucker!

[BreBar21]

EDIT: No need to take this shit to another site. Like I said on SVT stop acting like he didnt get it tuned on purpose. Each time he went there was a problem so he wasnt able to tune it. And dont act like when you had 569 HP and was rompin on it all over the place people werent sayin you shit is gonna blow. you just got lucky it didnt.

He never said he didn't get tuned on purpose. If that were me, I would have had an appointment the next day to tune the car.

Bryant might have and probably was on borrowed time, but he had everything he needed to prolong the life. All the right fuel mods and a real tune from someone who knows what the fuck he is doing. Not some handheld tuner with figures based on other peoples tunes with similar mods.

I don't even see how people can argue that the lack of a tune had nothing to do with Dan's car going boom.

[Greg Kulbick]

He didn't get it tuned, he got on it too much, he knew he shouldn't have done it but he did it anyway. He knows he fucked up and has to pay for it.

This will be reopened after Dan and Bryant fight. If you want to get your two cents in, you better start coaxing those two idiots.